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National ID card; Immigration and Freedom

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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The solution to the Immigration problem is to get rid of Welfare including Social Security (overtime), not to impose more anti-freedom idea such as National ID cards and other travel restrictions.


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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good choice, kh. imo, open borders are bad policy, and a rational immigration policy should reflect the underlying principles of the country. The woman in the video appears to understand how America became a success, and she also became a success through hard work. Immigration policy should give people who have something to offer the free market an opportunity to succeed but the contract should include the penalty for failure - deportation to the country of origin. Open immigration is like telling criminals sent to jail they can be let free if they produce value but never bothering to evaluate if they produce value vs continue to be criminals. Even worse, immigration policy must not provide unearned support to immigrants at the expense of existing producers. Immigrants must also be expected to make an effort to assimilate into the existing culture and learn the language. This should also be a part of the immigration 'contract' with the immigrant. Learn basic English immediately as a part of the agreement or the immigrant faces deportation (including any offspring who do not become American citizens until the parents have fulfilled their immigration contract.)
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 8 months ago
    The author says immigrants come here for the freedom. He is naive or clueless. The freedom is an illusion, and although the propaganda of freedom does bring some immigrants, the flood is for the free-bies not the freedom. No more welfare payments of any kind (after gradually weaning those over 50 off retirement pensions that they already paid for.) Eliminate the national number completely and stop forcing businesses to be unwilling agents of the state. The product of a man's work must belong to the producer. All programs must be supported by true voluntary payments for the services rendered.
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  • Posted by Animal 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was looking for the specific legislation. Can you provide that? Also, I have a new passport that was just issued <6 months ago. It looks exactly like my old one issued in 2005, and the photo is one I had taken at a Walgreens, so I can't quite see how facial recognition specs would be in there.

    Can you be more specific than "news for the last several years?" Maybe a link?

    Also, how will this work with my Clear pass? In Denver airport, I breeze through TSA with no ID at all required; just my boarding pass. I put down my index finger at the Clear station (a private company) to confirm my ID, then buzz over to the TSA Precheck lane, and I'm through toot sweet. No ID examined, just my boarding pass. Are you telling me that Clear will go out of business Jan 1st? Because they are planning to expand in 2016 into several more airports.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've traveled and lived all over the Western US and had some issues, but I fill out an information form, then get treated. I just don't get what a new Dr. for a new problem is going to gain from a Medical History that he can't get directly from me.

    It seems that the records are not for the reasons stated. I don't think they have a damn thing to do with my health or my Dr's ability to treat what ever symptoms I present.

    The numbers referenced on your computer system are primarily for Medicair/Aid, Insurance, and other billing and for reporting.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    News for the last several years.

    You can also use a newly issued Passport that includes the facial recognition specs on you photo.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mostly by either not having anything seriously go wrong with you or by dealing with the same physician or hospital who keeps a physical file.

    These issues don't just come up in national linkages. Our most typical issue is a doctor's practice computer system, our laboratory computer system and a reference laboratory's computer system. All of this takes place at the same office.

    We usually insist on them using the same ID's in our system as the practice system uses but then they put in a new practice system that changes all the numbers!
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The drug problem has not gotten better since the US started the War on Drugs. It was a colossal waste of money and time. Those who use drugs should have been allowed to see the lack of wisdom of their choices.

    However, the visa or passport or other documentation upon entry does allow those in the country to know that a person who has shown such documentation is here with honorable intentions, and thereby can reasonably be expected to engage in value for value exchanges. Those who do not do that much courtesy to the country they are emigrating to should reasonably be assumed to be here with dishonorable intent. In that case, it becomes impossible from a practical standpoint for the average citizen to know whether the immigrant is honorable or criminal. At that point, trade between individuals is diminished, and the citizenry is sacrificed to the immigrant.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, you are missing something. People leave tyrannies, but enough of those tyrannies have "rubbed off" that the immigrants often bring some of those tyrannical values with them, often unknowingly. I cannot count the number of people I know who have moved with their companies from Long Island to east central Florida who tell me how relieved they feel from the tax burden of NY and then vote for higher county taxes, but the number of such people is more than two hundred. Pretty soon there is no place left for those who vote with their feet to go.
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  • Posted by Animal 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "You need the Gold Star to travel on any TSA regulated transportation starting Jan of 16. "

    Source?
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    not one world. All men are free and so free men immigrate to free countries. As far as I know, there is no huge influx of immigrants into deeply communist countries. Am I missing something? People leave tyranny's. They do not flock to them
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder how I've managed to stay alive all these years without an interconnected medical records system.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    AJ, you already have one. It's called One ID and it's your DL that if it satisfies the 5 steps required by DHS, will have a Gold Star. You need the Gold Star to travel on any TSA regulated transportation starting Jan of 16.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 8 months ago
    They'll do it anyway. Then, they'll force everybody to carry one or face jail time. "Paypus pleeez. All iz en oida."

    It's the natural progression of governments, this constant tightening.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago
    I'm not sure that I get all the new HooHah over this. I remember in the 80's we had to require two forms of ID, DL and SS, with a copy of each kept in the personnel file and an I-9 form filled out and sent to the feds on every employee. We already have a National ID card in place, the new One ID DL with five required steps to get the gold star for TSA regulated travel, even though several states passed laws supposedly denying One ID. Their state bureaucracies went ahead on their own to implement the system. I would prefer anonymity for any and all, but that ship's already sailed.

    The answer is as DB and several others have said to simply deny welfare of any type to illegals, I'd prefer no welfare to anyone, but definitely illegals.

    Freedom of travel for any individual is a natural right of a human being and a significant measure of a free man with liberty to self direct.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, I'm not sure having a death panel accurately reading my records is any better.

    But accurately identifying patients is an ongoing problem in our health system.

    Just this morning a Histology email list I am on was embroiled in a discussion of a new NIH requirement that they randomize the id numbers on slides to protect privacy. This, of course, runs afoul of other regulations requiring two ID's on every sample and good medical practice designed to prevent sample mix-up.

    When I get blood drawn at Quest, they label the tubes with my name and show them to me so that I can verify that it is, indeed, my name on the blood that just came out of my veins.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A visa is authentication of approval to enter and defines a term of visitation. A visa isn't proof of citizenship.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    citizenship is different than immigration. Two separate concepts. No one looks at my Visa outside the country, unless I try for citizenship. How does the Visa help? Criminals don't comply. It's like saying we need more gun control because of the criminals. Wait-what? how does that make sense? well, whatever, you are going to have one anyway after the 1st of the year. How long before they make you stop at the NM border and show that your "papers are in order.?" Has the drug problem gotten better since we started the War on Drugs? did the formation of the Federal Reserve save people from 1929?
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