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Jailed Clerk Kim Davis Just Presented A 'Remedy' That Could Fix The Situation For Everyone

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 7 months ago to Culture
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Judge Bunning in ordering the imprisonment of Davis stated that: “The court cannot condone the willful disobedience of its lawfully issued order.” He further explained that the clerk’s good-faith belief is “simply not a viable defense,” dismissing her appeal to God’s moral law and freedom of conscience. “The idea of natural law superseding this court’s authority would be a dangerous precedent indeed,” he said.  


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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There really is no good reason for the Clerk of the Court or the County Recorder to be elected positions. They should be appointed and subject to firing if they do not do their jobs.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe people should just move out of such a backward state. I sure would. How can they keep a public employee when they are in jail. Crazy place
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 7 months ago
    First, the Progressives invalidated individual achievement by giving out awards to everyone simply for being present; then they invalidated heroism by calling the victims heroes and spreading out heroism over many who did not deserve it; then they invalidated individual entrepreneurship by saying that "you didn't build this"; now they are invalidating a nuclear family by destroying the marriage by spreading it out among anything that walks. It is hard not to see the association with Orwell's 1984: 2 + 2 is not 4; it is whatever the Party wants it to be.
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  • Posted by roneida 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She was elected...needs a different process to remove. Elected officials can not just be :Fired" or we would have a new Congress every 2 weeks.

    She chose to take a stand against a government whim she disagreed with and was willing to take the consequences. Remember Ghandi, M L King? same peaceful resistance.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 7 months ago
    So this federal judge has just invalidated the entire Nuremberg trials. And has reaffirmed the old adage that the victors set the rules.
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  • Posted by roneida 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    term2 As I understand it, the clerk is elected. An elected official can not be "fired" but has to be inpeached to be removed. That's why the current emperor is still in America's White House.
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  • Posted by jnnrd54 9 years, 7 months ago
    Justice Roberts should be the one in jail for imposing his personal beliefs on the Country instead of following the Constitution. Liberal judges are the real problem.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 7 months ago
    How about just firing her and getting another minion who will do what their law says?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 7 months ago
    If you care to send Kim a card like I did Friday--
    Ms. Kim Davis
    Carter County Detention Center
    13 Crossbar Rd.
    Grayson, KY, 41143
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  • Posted by gafisher 9 years, 7 months ago
    We do not elect officials to be robots, but on the basis of their convictions. If her job consists merely of operating a rubber stamp, it would be more sensible to replace her with a machine which would inherently follow orders and not worry about implications, consequences or mere local citizens.

    If this issue didn't come up before she was elected, it should have, but at this point she's the elected clerk and, short of a recall or judicial tyranny, will remain so until the next clerk is elected.
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    Posted by KCLiberty 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually....THIS is the real solution:

    Get government out of marriage altogether. It is a civil contract, marriage licenses are three-party contracts with the state. Government can, and should via the Constitution, be involved in disputes within that contract as an arbiter. Other than that, it should be a contract between two consenting individuals. That would fix everything.
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  • Posted by fatkinson 9 years, 7 months ago
    When urges put themselves above the laws of God, they can no longer effectively judge!
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's why I prefer the term, "natural rights". You may believe in whatever you wish, fallacy or not, and you still have your natural rights.
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  • Posted by lneil 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would agree with you IF the administration in power now obeyed the laws and the Constitution. They do not!
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The judge doesn't have the power to change forms, alter the laws regarding what agency handles marriage licenses, etc, thus he doesnt have those options as presented.

    As it stands now, she is required by law to issue the marriage licenses suing the firms and processes lain out. Either she does it, or the court orders her to, or the court finds some way in which she isn't legally obligated to do her job.

    As the third option isn't actually available (or desireable!) ordering her to do her job is the only option the judge has available. Fines and jail time are the only recourse for contempt of court and as noted in the article fines would be entirely ineffective.
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    Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 7 months ago
    Here's the real solution...

    If you have a job that doesn't fall in with your religious belief structure, then get another job where there is no such conflict. You have that freedom, and doing so doesn't infrnge on the rights of others.

    It also goes to the "render unto Ceasar what is Caesar's" - if you're talking Religious Marriage, then that is indeded the purveyance of your religion and of your faith, but when you're talking Civil Marriage, then that is within the purveyance not of the church, but of the judges who perform marriages not of a religious nature.

    While I appreciate her personal convictions and her freedom of religion, others who exercising THEIR freedom of religion or their personal convictions are being denied their rights - in essence, rights only belong to those who believe exactly as she does... much like in England where in the 18th century rights belonged only to those who believed as the King did.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 7 months ago
    All she has to do is resign because her religious views do not mesh with state law. She will be sticking by her beliefs, problem solved.
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  • Posted by broskjold22 9 years, 7 months ago
    What happened to the good old days when failing to do as your boss asked precipitated firing (as opposed to incarceration)? "A dangerous precedent"...
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  • Posted by robertmbeard 9 years, 7 months ago
    The best solution is to get government out of marriage entirely and eliminate all tax-favored status, credits, etc...

    That being said, if I were the Rowan County Clerk, I would tell the court she is ready to comply with the court's demands. After getting out of jail, create a sign at the county clerk's office, saying that the court's new definition of marriage is now in force and the following relationships will now receive "licenses" at the office:

    1) Man/woman
    2) Man/man
    3) Woman/woman
    4) 1 Woman / 2 or more men
    5) 1 Man / 2 or more women
    6) 2 or more men / 2 or more women
    7) Man/cousin
    8) Woman/cousin
    9) Man/mother
    10) Woman/father
    11) Man/granny
    12) Woman/grandpa
    13) Man/sister
    14) Man/computer
    15) Woman/smartphone
    16) Man/game console
    17) Woman/horse
    18) Woman/dog
    19) Man/dog
    20) Man/goat
    21) Woman/cat

    Per the court's new, wider definition of marriage, the only requirements for a marriage license in Rowan County are:

    1) At least 1 adult human 18 years old or older
    2) At least 1 legal resident of Rowan County
    3) Non-humans can be of any age
    4) All humans must express their love for each other
    5) Non-humans are not required to express love
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