Bill Nye: Bible doesn't tell Earth's true history

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Bill Nye: Bible doesn't tell Earth's true history
Feb. 5, 2014, 8:34 AM EST
By DYLAN LOVAN , Associated Press
PETERSBURG, Ky. (AP) — True to his passionate and animated TV persona, "Science Guy" Bill Nye tapped on the podium, threw up his hands and noted that science shows the Earth is "billions and billions" of years old in a debate at a Kentucky museum known for teaching that the planet's age is only 6,000.
Nye was debating Creation Museum founder Ken Ham and promoting science in the snappy way that made him a pop culture staple as host of "Bill Nye The Science Guy" in the 1990s.
The event was meant to explore the age old question, "How did we get here?" from the perspectives of faith and science.
Ham, an Australian native who has built a thriving ministry in Kentucky, said he trusts the story of creation presented by the Bible.
"The Bible is the word of God," Ham said. "I admit that's where I start from."
Nye delivered a passionate speech on science and challenged the museum's teachings on the age of the earth and the Bible's flood story. Like most scientists, Nye believes there is no credible evidence that the world is only 6,000 years old.
"If we accept Mr. Ham's point of view ... that the Bible serves as a science text and he and his followers will interpret that for you, I want you to consider what that means," Nye said. "It means that Mr. Ham's word is to be more respected than what you can observe in nature, what you can find in your backyard in Kentucky."
The event drew dozens of national media outlets and about 800 tickets sold out in minutes. Ham said ahead of the debate that the Creation Museum was having a peak day on its social media sites.
"I think it shows you that the majority of people out there, they're interested in this topic, they want to know about this, they don't want debate shut down," Ham said before the debate.
At times, the debate had the feel of a university lecture, with slides and long-form presentations.
Responding to an audience question about where atoms and matter come from, Nye said scientists are continuing to find out.
Ham said he already knows the answer.
"Bill, I want to tell you, there is a book that tells where atoms come from, and its starts out, 'In the beginning ...,'" Ham said.
Nye said there are plenty of religious people around the world who don't question evolution science.
"I just want to remind us all there are billions of people in the world who are deeply religious, who get enriched by the wonderful sense of community by their religion," said Nye, who wore his trademark bow tie. "But these same people do not embrace the extraordinary view that the Earth is somehow only 6,000 years old."
The debate drew a few Nye disciples in the audience, including Aaron Swomley, who wore a red bowtie and white lab coat. Swomley said he was impressed by Ham's presentation and the debate's respectful tone.
"I think they did a good job outlining their own arguments without getting too heated, as these debates tend to get," he said.
Some scientists had been critical of Nye for agreeing to debate the head of a Christian ministry that is dismissive of evolution.
Jerry Coyne, an evolution professor at the University of Chicago, wrote on his blog that "Nye's appearance will be giving money to organizations who try to subvert the mission Nye has had all his life: science education, particularly of kids." Coyne pointed out that the Creation Museum will be selling DVDs of the event.
The debate was hatched after Nye appeared in an online video in 2012 that urged parents not to pass their religious-based doubts about evolution on to their children. Ham rebutted Nye's statements with his own online video and the two later agreed to share a stage.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even if there were "pure energy" that somehow was caused to explode and convert to mass. How/what caused that to happen? Why hadn't it happened earlier?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, how did it all start? It either started on it's own, or something started it. Your choice.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are around 300 prophecies about Christ in the Old Testament. The odds that 8 of the most likely were to be fulfilled is around 10 to the 15 power, that's 1 with 15 zeroes after it. The odds that 16 would be fulfilled is 10 to the 40+ power. This probability is considered absurd by science for likelihood. There are 280+ left that He fulfilled. If you want to watch the study that explains it all, go to http://www.kitrust.org/live-video Sign up for free and watch the Prophecy 101 video. It will blow you away.

    There are a slew of predictions (prophecies) that have come true such as:

    1. The day of Christ's triumphal entry into Jerusalem, to the day
    2. The day of Israel being given back the land, to the day
    3. The 6 day war in 1967, to the day

    All this was proclaimed to Daniel by Gabriel the Archangel in Dan 9:24-25. There are hundreds more. In reference to the end times, the timing is hidden to all but God the Father, to keep Satan from preparing. This was all in the scriptures 300 years before Christ's birth as evidenced by it being translated from Hebrew to Greek in the Septuagint around 273 b.c.
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  • Posted by $ WillH 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don’t know about Maph’s home, but you are right in the freedom my daughter has. She has been presented with our Christian beliefs and with the science of the issue via text books and documentaries. She is and will continue to be encouraged to make up her own mind and form her own opinions.

    At this point she believes in “Divine Evolution” as defined by the acceptance of evolution as fact under the hand and according to the will of god. We are not pushing her into any particular belief, while at the same time we are answering all the questions we can. It is my opinion that if she is allowed the freedom of belief and expression now, perhaps she will not struggle with such things later when she needs to be focused on making her way in the world. All too often young adults are distracted by struggling with what their parents forced on them and what the world in general accepts and believes. This can cause mistakes in education and career choices, missed opportunities, and delayed achievement.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's why I don't trust wikipedia. It can be changed by people to advance their own agenda. I went to a page that had a listing of location sites for Atlas Shrugged and the page was removed by someone.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are supposedly around 3,000 errors that are well known by scholars and can be taken into account. I'm sure they've beat this horse dead by now.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The recent finds at Qumran in the Dead Sea Scrolls give us documents that are 1,000 years earlier than available before. Amazingly they are identical to the later copies, fidelity that answers your question of trust in the texts. The agnostics in the first few centuries of Christianity were the folks that changed the texts and corrupted the scriptures to meet their needs.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's called respecting the opinions of others. Opinions are like elbows; everyone has a couple. There is a physicist in Israel that mathematically proves that 6000 years and 15 billion years aren't exclusive of each other. It has to do with the expansion factor of the universe. I think his name is Gerald Schroeder and has a video on youtube explaining it, not the best quality visually due to glare.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I fully understand what god is described as by the faithful.

    I think that it's the imagination of the not educated to rationalize what they don't know yet, of those that lack sufficient self esteem to ask the scary questions and look for the answers, and of those that can't come to terms with infinite. In fact, I've often heard believers refer to god as The Infinite.

    It was actually a Catholic Priest as an amateur astrologist who originally conceived of the Primordial Egg in 1927, then quickly jumped on Hubble's measurement of alleged red shifts of stars and super novae in order to sustain his faith and fear of infinity. Hubble later in the 30's or 40's disavowed the Big Bang idea as well as the interpretations of his measurements.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. Micro-evolution, adaptation of species, is a reality but macro-evolution, "we came from a rock", isn't reality but a theory which is just as religious as creationism.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree about Enoch being translated (raptured) before the flood but not about his city, only him. Elijah came later as you stated. Look at Genesis 5:18 through 5:24. Then look at Hebrews 11:5 about the translation of Enoch. References are from the KJV but you can look it up yourself online at the blue letter bible site. There you have access to all major versions of the Bible for free and can compare them. Also the original Hebrew and Greek is available there via Strong's Concordance reference numbers.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ahah; the old engineer - mathematician comparison: Eng and Math in the same room, against one wall - across the room, a nude model. Restricted to only advancing 1/2 the distance between per move; how many steps to reach the model. Math answers that he could never get there, because there are an infinite number of halves. Eng answers I'll get close enough in a few.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would think that a pretty fair definition of faith is:

    Looking around at the world we currently live-in, but not converting everything I own into gold and silver and not updating my BOB gear, or is that playing Helen Keller.
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most people blend it with hope and or trust. The main difference is faith is used to make knowledge statements.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Science wants us to believe that there was nothing and then it exploded. I'll take explanation provided by the Creator every time. 8-)
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But when the "next step" is inevitably taken... JC was resurrected, ascended to "heaven," will "return to earth," etc... well, that one doesn't leave the hangar for me, let alone "fly."

    That's the difference between an atheist and a believer.

    Jesus never himself claimed to be devine, but he did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends.

    You do not want to accept that these things happened, and so you will say prove it. I cannot. There are no absolutely incorruptible forms of documentation from those occurrences.

    You also want to point to failings of human beings (false prophets/predictions) as "proof" that there is no God. I'm sure that some of those predictions were made by people who believed they had been in communication with God, some may have even been and merely got the method of His interaction with us misinterpreted. Most, I dare say, were humans with human failings - many trying to take advantage of their fellow man to their own advantage. I'm sure that you'll agree that that is a common enough occurrence in many facets of life.

    To paraphrase: Blessed are those who believe without needing proof.

    And again, as I've said before, we will all know soon enough. If you are right, what has it benefitted or cost you or me? But what if I am right?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You said that you knew everything. That clearly is a lie.
    1) Explain human sentience.
    2) Explain the origin of the universe.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    String theory gives us the idea that mathematically there are 10 dimensions or more. There is more in the Bible than many people realize. Nachmonides in the 13th century (1263) said that there are 10 dimensions, 4 knowable and 6 not knowable, all by studying the Bible. I don't know the intricacies of it but I find it fascinating that the Bible can give scholars this level of insight if they care to research it. I've been totally blown away by what is actually there that I never noticed before.

    By the way, my background is similar to yours. I majored in Chemistry/Ecology in college. I also believe in creation.
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  • Posted by m082844 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I accept there are things I will never know. Will you allow yourself to continue now?

    If you do not know or understand what god is, then how can you know or understand what you believe? I understand that you place faith as the conduit. So is faith knowledge and understanding in things you cannot know or understand?
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  • Posted by m082844 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not all theists define faith that way I've come to find out. Some define it as deep abstract thought derived from reason. The ones that define it outside of reason, however, match your definition.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago
    No. God is much more than that. However, those things are part of God.
    God is not a "being" as we conceptualize that idea. Is God more like the "midichlorians" of Star Wars or more like the concept of "thou art god" of Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land", I do not know.
    I do know that the universe did not come into being of it's own volition. It is also so highly improbable that a process of random mutation would cause humankind to develop sentience where no other creature had also developed such a mutation throughout all time and across all species. Somehow we came to consciousness. Somehow the universe originated. Whatever caused that to occur, I call God.
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