Bill Nye: Bible doesn't tell Earth's true history
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Bill Nye: Bible doesn't tell Earth's true history
Feb. 5, 2014, 8:34 AM EST
By DYLAN LOVAN , Associated Press
PETERSBURG, Ky. (AP) — True to his passionate and animated TV persona, "Science Guy" Bill Nye tapped on the podium, threw up his hands and noted that science shows the Earth is "billions and billions" of years old in a debate at a Kentucky museum known for teaching that the planet's age is only 6,000.
Nye was debating Creation Museum founder Ken Ham and promoting science in the snappy way that made him a pop culture staple as host of "Bill Nye The Science Guy" in the 1990s.
The event was meant to explore the age old question, "How did we get here?" from the perspectives of faith and science.
Ham, an Australian native who has built a thriving ministry in Kentucky, said he trusts the story of creation presented by the Bible.
"The Bible is the word of God," Ham said. "I admit that's where I start from."
Nye delivered a passionate speech on science and challenged the museum's teachings on the age of the earth and the Bible's flood story. Like most scientists, Nye believes there is no credible evidence that the world is only 6,000 years old.
"If we accept Mr. Ham's point of view ... that the Bible serves as a science text and he and his followers will interpret that for you, I want you to consider what that means," Nye said. "It means that Mr. Ham's word is to be more respected than what you can observe in nature, what you can find in your backyard in Kentucky."
The event drew dozens of national media outlets and about 800 tickets sold out in minutes. Ham said ahead of the debate that the Creation Museum was having a peak day on its social media sites.
"I think it shows you that the majority of people out there, they're interested in this topic, they want to know about this, they don't want debate shut down," Ham said before the debate.
At times, the debate had the feel of a university lecture, with slides and long-form presentations.
Responding to an audience question about where atoms and matter come from, Nye said scientists are continuing to find out.
Ham said he already knows the answer.
"Bill, I want to tell you, there is a book that tells where atoms come from, and its starts out, 'In the beginning ...,'" Ham said.
Nye said there are plenty of religious people around the world who don't question evolution science.
"I just want to remind us all there are billions of people in the world who are deeply religious, who get enriched by the wonderful sense of community by their religion," said Nye, who wore his trademark bow tie. "But these same people do not embrace the extraordinary view that the Earth is somehow only 6,000 years old."
The debate drew a few Nye disciples in the audience, including Aaron Swomley, who wore a red bowtie and white lab coat. Swomley said he was impressed by Ham's presentation and the debate's respectful tone.
"I think they did a good job outlining their own arguments without getting too heated, as these debates tend to get," he said.
Some scientists had been critical of Nye for agreeing to debate the head of a Christian ministry that is dismissive of evolution.
Jerry Coyne, an evolution professor at the University of Chicago, wrote on his blog that "Nye's appearance will be giving money to organizations who try to subvert the mission Nye has had all his life: science education, particularly of kids." Coyne pointed out that the Creation Museum will be selling DVDs of the event.
The debate was hatched after Nye appeared in an online video in 2012 that urged parents not to pass their religious-based doubts about evolution on to their children. Ham rebutted Nye's statements with his own online video and the two later agreed to share a stage.
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There are a slew of predictions (prophecies) that have come true such as:
1. The day of Christ's triumphal entry into Jerusalem, to the day
2. The day of Israel being given back the land, to the day
3. The 6 day war in 1967, to the day
All this was proclaimed to Daniel by Gabriel the Archangel in Dan 9:24-25. There are hundreds more. In reference to the end times, the timing is hidden to all but God the Father, to keep Satan from preparing. This was all in the scriptures 300 years before Christ's birth as evidenced by it being translated from Hebrew to Greek in the Septuagint around 273 b.c.
At this point she believes in “Divine Evolution” as defined by the acceptance of evolution as fact under the hand and according to the will of god. We are not pushing her into any particular belief, while at the same time we are answering all the questions we can. It is my opinion that if she is allowed the freedom of belief and expression now, perhaps she will not struggle with such things later when she needs to be focused on making her way in the world. All too often young adults are distracted by struggling with what their parents forced on them and what the world in general accepts and believes. This can cause mistakes in education and career choices, missed opportunities, and delayed achievement.
I think that it's the imagination of the not educated to rationalize what they don't know yet, of those that lack sufficient self esteem to ask the scary questions and look for the answers, and of those that can't come to terms with infinite. In fact, I've often heard believers refer to god as The Infinite.
It was actually a Catholic Priest as an amateur astrologist who originally conceived of the Primordial Egg in 1927, then quickly jumped on Hubble's measurement of alleged red shifts of stars and super novae in order to sustain his faith and fear of infinity. Hubble later in the 30's or 40's disavowed the Big Bang idea as well as the interpretations of his measurements.
Looking around at the world we currently live-in, but not converting everything I own into gold and silver and not updating my BOB gear, or is that playing Helen Keller.
That's the difference between an atheist and a believer.
Jesus never himself claimed to be devine, but he did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends.
You do not want to accept that these things happened, and so you will say prove it. I cannot. There are no absolutely incorruptible forms of documentation from those occurrences.
You also want to point to failings of human beings (false prophets/predictions) as "proof" that there is no God. I'm sure that some of those predictions were made by people who believed they had been in communication with God, some may have even been and merely got the method of His interaction with us misinterpreted. Most, I dare say, were humans with human failings - many trying to take advantage of their fellow man to their own advantage. I'm sure that you'll agree that that is a common enough occurrence in many facets of life.
To paraphrase: Blessed are those who believe without needing proof.
And again, as I've said before, we will all know soon enough. If you are right, what has it benefitted or cost you or me? But what if I am right?
1) Explain human sentience.
2) Explain the origin of the universe.
By the way, my background is similar to yours. I majored in Chemistry/Ecology in college. I also believe in creation.
If you do not know or understand what god is, then how can you know or understand what you believe? I understand that you place faith as the conduit. So is faith knowledge and understanding in things you cannot know or understand?
God is not a "being" as we conceptualize that idea. Is God more like the "midichlorians" of Star Wars or more like the concept of "thou art god" of Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land", I do not know.
I do know that the universe did not come into being of it's own volition. It is also so highly improbable that a process of random mutation would cause humankind to develop sentience where no other creature had also developed such a mutation throughout all time and across all species. Somehow we came to consciousness. Somehow the universe originated. Whatever caused that to occur, I call God.
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