Bill Nye: Bible doesn't tell Earth's true history
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Bill Nye: Bible doesn't tell Earth's true history
Feb. 5, 2014, 8:34 AM EST
By DYLAN LOVAN , Associated Press
PETERSBURG, Ky. (AP) — True to his passionate and animated TV persona, "Science Guy" Bill Nye tapped on the podium, threw up his hands and noted that science shows the Earth is "billions and billions" of years old in a debate at a Kentucky museum known for teaching that the planet's age is only 6,000.
Nye was debating Creation Museum founder Ken Ham and promoting science in the snappy way that made him a pop culture staple as host of "Bill Nye The Science Guy" in the 1990s.
The event was meant to explore the age old question, "How did we get here?" from the perspectives of faith and science.
Ham, an Australian native who has built a thriving ministry in Kentucky, said he trusts the story of creation presented by the Bible.
"The Bible is the word of God," Ham said. "I admit that's where I start from."
Nye delivered a passionate speech on science and challenged the museum's teachings on the age of the earth and the Bible's flood story. Like most scientists, Nye believes there is no credible evidence that the world is only 6,000 years old.
"If we accept Mr. Ham's point of view ... that the Bible serves as a science text and he and his followers will interpret that for you, I want you to consider what that means," Nye said. "It means that Mr. Ham's word is to be more respected than what you can observe in nature, what you can find in your backyard in Kentucky."
The event drew dozens of national media outlets and about 800 tickets sold out in minutes. Ham said ahead of the debate that the Creation Museum was having a peak day on its social media sites.
"I think it shows you that the majority of people out there, they're interested in this topic, they want to know about this, they don't want debate shut down," Ham said before the debate.
At times, the debate had the feel of a university lecture, with slides and long-form presentations.
Responding to an audience question about where atoms and matter come from, Nye said scientists are continuing to find out.
Ham said he already knows the answer.
"Bill, I want to tell you, there is a book that tells where atoms come from, and its starts out, 'In the beginning ...,'" Ham said.
Nye said there are plenty of religious people around the world who don't question evolution science.
"I just want to remind us all there are billions of people in the world who are deeply religious, who get enriched by the wonderful sense of community by their religion," said Nye, who wore his trademark bow tie. "But these same people do not embrace the extraordinary view that the Earth is somehow only 6,000 years old."
The debate drew a few Nye disciples in the audience, including Aaron Swomley, who wore a red bowtie and white lab coat. Swomley said he was impressed by Ham's presentation and the debate's respectful tone.
"I think they did a good job outlining their own arguments without getting too heated, as these debates tend to get," he said.
Some scientists had been critical of Nye for agreeing to debate the head of a Christian ministry that is dismissive of evolution.
Jerry Coyne, an evolution professor at the University of Chicago, wrote on his blog that "Nye's appearance will be giving money to organizations who try to subvert the mission Nye has had all his life: science education, particularly of kids." Coyne pointed out that the Creation Museum will be selling DVDs of the event.
The debate was hatched after Nye appeared in an online video in 2012 that urged parents not to pass their religious-based doubts about evolution on to their children. Ham rebutted Nye's statements with his own online video and the two later agreed to share a stage.
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There is also a full length version of the lecture available.
The Ten Commandments were meant for mankind as a whole as a way to live an honorable live. We all have the choice to follow them or not to follow them. The choice is ours and ours alone. To simplify it further, Christ told the Apostles:
[Mat 22:36-40 NIV] 36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Not a bad way to live, wouldn't you say? You can choose to not accept the redemptive gift of Christ but then you spend eternity separated from your Creator. It's still a choice you can make. Not a smart one, but still an available choice. For those of us who want an unbelievably wondrous eternity with our Creator, we choose to accept Christ's gift, not as a slave but as a pleasant way to spend forever. One needs to look into it further while one has the chance. At a certain point in time, the decision is irreversible. This is a no-brainer for me but I can only speak for myself. The other religions and philosophies have to live with the consequences of their decisions as do the rest of us. As the Templar Knight in the cave told Indiana Jones, "Choose wisely."
" Oh, Thou, who didst with Pitfall and with Gin
Beset the Road I was to wander in,
Thou wilt not with Predestination round
Enmesh me, and impute my Fall to Sin? "
Impossible rules are set. In your trial, redemption-submission to slavery is the only option to get you out of hell. Thus while some case can be made for existence of a god, an evil one intent on torture fits the data better.
No wonder many other religions and philosophies do not accept the first base of that stuff.
As to sentience, there's a great deal of evidence, knowledge, and experiments that show self-awareness, identity, self directed learning, societal teaching, communication both inter and intra species, knowledge of death, etc. in many other species including ocean mammals, bonobos, great apes, orangoutangs, ravens, African grey parrots, and others. It's evident that sentience as you term it, is not a strictly human trait, but is shared, although to a lesser degree, by many others. We may not be as special as Genesis states.
As to your continued argument about entropy in the Universe, you simply don't understand what you're talking about; Taking knowledge obtained from the development of boiler steam systems and the study of gases in a closed system and trying to apply that to an infinite system such as the Universe is the height of hubris. As is accepting a theoretical hypothesis developed by a catholic priest, Georges Lemeitre in 1927, before Hubble's alleged observations in 1929, that Hubble himself later in the 30' or 40's disavowed, it as well as climate warming/cooling is consensus science, which is no science at all. It's nonsense and simply fear of infinity (limitlessness).
Your beliefs strike me as a philosophy and acceptance of slavery, a way of thinking that is totally abhorrent to me. To believers, this existence is belittled in the hope of an utopian, idyllic afterlife determined by some form of super magical being, with a set of rules and a map that if you follow, you win the lottery. I mean, imagine the billions of humans that have lived on this earth that your god has left in limbo, somewhere because they believed in a different god or had no knowledge of gods or are babies that died before they were baptized, or consigned to some fire and brimstone existence, even though they were totally moral and good men.
Most of the discussion for me still boils down to two simple questions; Who/what created god and where does he hang out?
I paid for the study but you have access for free for a limited time. Your choice whether you look or not. I can put it on my Dropbox account if that is more to your liking.
Proved QM huh? One contradiction should have caused them to through it away, but they simply trudged on and collected more of them. Did you one one contradiction arrested scientific development for a millennia in the area of astronomy?
Is God living? Life implies death or termination. What we call death to Christians is merely the separation of body and spirit. Christians hold that Christ passed through that transitional period and died. Three days later, his spirit or essence rejoined with his body in a perfect state which rendered him immune to mortal death forevermore. Christians believe that just as Christ was "resurrected", so we also will be. We do not believe birth was the beginning nor is death the end.
By what power can this be done? The power of God. Does the common man possess such power? No. His authorized servants do, however, but their exercise of this power is subject to His oversight. The scriptures record several instances of power over death being exercised not only by Christ, but by Peter, Paul, and others. We may not scientifically understand how it works, but ignorance is not justification for denial.
Does God ask us to adhere to the same principles He lives? Absolutely. They are commonly referred to as the commandments. We have the opportunity to obey them or not.
Are we going to screw up and violate His laws at some point? Assuredly. But God has also provided a way for us to avoid the eternal consequences of these actions. Christians believe that Christ made it possible for us to overcome our our failings.
Can we physically describe God? Only eyewitnesses can reliably testify of that. In Christian theology, these are called prophets, and not even all prophets visibly spoke with God. Prophets write down their experiences as scripture. Scripture is their testimony to the rest of mankind.
Am I able to tell you that I know God exists? Yes. But any more than that would of necessity require a personal visit because the nature of the testimony is personal and I do not share it lightly in the setting of a public forum.
More importantly, my knowledge doesn't help you. It is only your search and your conclusions that will matter. I can encourage you not to discount the matter, but unless you take it upon yourself to learn the truth, it will be pointless. The matter isn't so much about me and what I know as it is about what you might be willing to learn.
Quantum Physics is so scary, the guy that proved it to be fact couldn't deal with it and committed suicide.
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