America Can Not Survive As Multi-Language Country

Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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A multi-language country creates barriers between people, increases costs and tensions. This is not a one trick pony problem, but when individuals and CORPORATIONS push a multi-cultural agenda-one has to ask...why? The evidence is not in your favor. I did not want to hijack my own post, so I started a separate conversation.


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  • Posted by geologist 11 years, 2 months ago
    Well...the Constitution is absolutely silent about language. Why not let a free market operate? Those languages that best effect error-free, nuanced communication will have a natural advantage.

    English, which never met a language it didn't like, will take on a Spanish flavor. If 2/3 of the country becomes Hispanic, then maybe Spanish will take on an English flavor. There were towns in Wisconsin in the late 1800s that spoke only German. After a couple of generations what was once German became a regional dialect with lots of interesting, colorful words popping through English scaffolding.

    I vote to let language evolve. William Shatner once starred in a movie scripted entirely in the manufactured language of Esperanto--anything would be better than that!
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    COMMUNITY = COMMUNICATION.

    Anything that disrupts or degrades or erects barriers to communication is destructive to the COMMUNITY.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've always maintained that the Southern "y'all" was an attempt to continue to speak "proper" English. "You" is the plural of "thou". But now it's also the singular pronoun. So some dark recess of the Southern language processor feels compelled to re-pluralize "you" and comes up with "y'all".

    "How is your Latin? "

    How's your Welsh? Oh wait. Welsh isn't a dead language...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Freedom is not the unlimited ability to do anything or everything. All rights have boundaries: appropriate methods of expression.

    I would also ask this: which is more liberating: being able to converse with your peers or not? You are confusing the so-called choice to restrict one's own options for market transactions as freedom. It strikes me as precisely the opposite.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Notice how these arguments aren't addressed. We're xenophobic and oppressive taking the best of a culture while repressing expression. Cultures which are not supportive of mans right to himself deserve to not be promoted. What would Ayn Rand say to ATB sung in russian. I wonder....

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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And then there is this story that I doubt actually happened, but it is something to think about: My friend was in the grocery store the other day and while she was in line at the check out there was a man in front of her who was angry because a Navajo woman was talking on the phone. When she hung up he told her "This is America, we speak English here. If you are going to speak Spanish go back to Mexico!" She told him, "I was speaking Navajo. We were here before you were, if you want to speak English go back to England."
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Unfortunately, today in the US, you can go places where you won't hear English spoken at all. "

    But enough about courtrooms and Congress...
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Go to your local governmental office and see how many different "native language" forms there are. Depending on the state you may find that there are as many as 20 or more different language forms for the exact same thing.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not about permitting or prohibiting - it's about a culture that bends over backwards to support non-assimilation.

    Immigrants up through the late '60s used to focus on assimilating into the US, which included learning the predominant language - English. About that time, the do-gooders began to profess that this was "unfair" and immigrants should be supported with native language support, to the degree that assimilation was no longer needed - and balkanization has been the result. We now have a country that does not share commonality of nearly anything. The Hispanics have their own television stations, as do the blacks, as do eastern Europeans and Asians to lesser degrees in large cities. Swaths of the country do not speak the same language (southern FL, most of the SW US, large sections of our major cities - heck, there are some places in Chicago where you can go for a few miles in any direction and not see an English sign).

    This supports the progressive approach, as it makes it very easy to manipulate these segments - with specific messages that are not easily understood outside the targeted demo, with specific programs that target specific constituencies, etc.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "If anything, it erases those divisions by helping us see the beauty of other people and cultures. "

    Familiarity breeds contempt. It also helps us see the ugliness of other people and cultures, without the ability to separate from them.

    Oh, here we go; because we got shiny new toys made of plastic, people have *changed*, and the ways they behaved for thousands of years just won't *happen* in this brave new world.

    Imagine what would happen to Atlantis if they invited all cultures to come join them, and express themselves equally. The cultures of the looters and moochers...

    No, anyone could come to Atlantis, but they had to take the oath, first, and had to accept and practice the cultural values of Atlantis.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ONLY if the government also SEALS OUR BORDERS. Americans aren't adopting Spanish by any virtue of the language; they're adopting Spanish because of the influx of invaders who will not speak English.

    Flush the invaders, and Spanish will recede like an ebbing tide.

    And, where Spanish-speaking, Latin-American-culture-promoting, illegal alien invaders are concerned, for me, you darned right it's an us-vs-them atmosphere of utter hostility.
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  • Posted by jetgraphics 11 years, 2 months ago
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    Bilingualism is so anti-American, that it boggles the mind that public funds support it.

    A nation of people who share a common language and customs, can better cooperate in the defense of person or property from attack.

    A nation of people who cannot communicate and have different customs, will not cooperate.

    For the predators, the latter is preferred over the former. A nation divided into unintelligible factions is doomed to collapse.

    One language = one nation united.

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    Reference :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

    “The place where I was born and spent my childhood gave direction to all my future struggles. In Bialystok the inhabitants were divided into four distinct elements: Russians, Poles, Germans and Jews; each of these spoke their own language and looked on all the others as enemies.”
    - - - L. L. Zamenhof, in a letter to N. Borovko, ca. 1895
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  • Posted by jimslag 11 years, 2 months ago
    I work in the utility industry and deal a lot with foreign engineers. Most are from Sweden and Germany but the common language is English. Talking to a lot of them, they learn English in school as the language of business. They, of course have an accent in their use of English but it is more than easily understood. I was also stationed in Belgium and Iceland while in the service and there, they teach English to school children along with their native language.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That *does* come under the purview of the commerce clause, unlike much of what the gov't does in the name of that tiny portion of the document.

    I'm all for letting the language evolve. Not the same thing as having languages parallel themselves, particularly along class lines.
    Remember, the illegal alien invaders coming from south of the border are NOT speaking Navajo or Mayan... they're speaking *Spanish*.

    I don't think it rational to expect the British to (re) adopt French and Spanish as co-equal languages to English simply because they are the nearest neighbors and like invading Britain.

    Spanish is based on Latin, a language that has been massaged to death. There are ideas which are not as easily expressed in Spanish as English, for that very reason. Spanish, like most west European languages, does everything bass-ackwards. Whenever I try to translate a Spanish speaker, of Yoda I immediately think.

    If 2/3 of the country becomes Hispanic, under current conditions, there won't BE a country to worry about multiculturalism.
    And if adopting Spanish as part of English works like every other piece of social engineering the left does, English will be pushed aside and *replaced* by Spanish.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    sigh. You have to know the language of the country to be a citizen of it. According to solitude's letter from COKE, the values listed in the letter was a cultural relativism which, vaguely stated, that key word "inclusive" suggests moral relativism in a cultural package. That's not american. You can disagree that that's what it's pushing, but both myself and my husband and clearly others immediately saw through the disguise. Talk about language. There is this subversive progressive moral relativism language that's become very prevalent. Words such as "inclusive" "diversity" "co-exist" "social justice"-all of these concepts are about control completely the opposite of justice.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 2 months ago
    What is the purpose of having a community or society in the first place? Is it not to establish a geographical area wherein such are all bound by common laws and enjoy common freedoms? How can you do this if they can not first COMMUNICATE?

    I don't have a problem with people speaking more than one language. What I have a problem with is people who want to live in an English-speaking nation who don't want to conform to the BASIC/FUNDAMENTAL precept of society: communication. All else fails when communication can not be established.

    I don't care if your native language is something else - in order to function in society, you need to speak and write English. Period. No waivers. No exclusions. No costly accommodations. You do not only yourself but your children a disservice when you refuse to make the effort to learn it.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 2 months ago
    While I do not care what language is spoken in America, I do believe that there would be less friction if there were an official language and business were conducted in that language only.

    With that said this has always been a multi-cultural multi-language nation and it behooves those living here to at least attempt to assimilate with the rest of the population.

    Additionally, it is in each of us personally's best interest to learn as much of anything that we are exposed to as possible, to include learning other languages. while I personally speak English and German I only read English. Of course living in West Texas my German goes largely unused. I really should pick up some Spanish.

    Now that I have been polite and reasonable I will also say this. As an American it really irks me when I have to deal with someone (normally Hispanics) who refuse to assimilate and are proud of their "Home Country." Sorry but if Mexico is so freaking great take your tail back across the river!
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Historically, French was the language of court, of the government. Latin was the language of the Church and of government (depending on when/where).

    Only white trash spoke "English". By which I mean, the grammarians and philologists of medieval and renaissance Europe totally ignored English, and focused on structuring and formalizing Latin and French... which is why English is such a robust and powerful language, and why Latin is now a 'dead' language.

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