And fairly clearly to THIS Engineer, the Question Is: Is it the GMO Crops or the increased amount of PESTICIDES THAT ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEMS.

Sorry for shouting, but blaming GMO foods Directly for Birth Defects smells like the worst kind of conspiracy theory and the worst kind of Critical Thinking yet...

Demand or protest that "Some Other Place" (nimby, of course) be used for such testing!!! But again, it's NOT the GMO-ness of the crops that are 'causing the problem.'

Jeez...

That is one case. There are others.

http://www.naturalblaze[dot]com/2015/09/hawaii-sees-tenfold-increase-in-birth.html

http://www.naturalnews[dot]com/051169_The_Atlantic_Kevin_Folta_bad_journalism.html

Fact is, information is being withheld from us regarding GMO.

I have thought that multiple competing subscription services would be the method for evaluating a free market in currencies from many innovators backed by assets of many kinds (to replace a single fraudulent fiat currency backed by nothing and enriching only corrupt banksters at the expense of all producers.)

Violent agreement! I've liked the idea that some kind of NGO based on some of the same foundations as Consumer's Union/Reports... a subscription-supported fact-evaluating organization with minimal bias (or supported openly by very biased subscribers... let that same Market answer THAT question...) would be much better, but alas, nobody's taken up that baton.

Yep, I've concluded that corruption isn't unique to businesses OR government(s). It may be a genetic or species-defect, but power over others seems to be the source of most 'evil' on this planet, and government is one of the most fertile breeding grounds for growing such power.

I love searching for Root Cause of Problems, but again, that one might have had its roots in Earth's primordial 'soup.'

Good luck to us all...

Do I need them to ask you if you've looked at any for glyphosate?

No worries, plusaf. We all have to think for ourselves based on evidence from sources we think reliable. Assuming your comment is on the 'A' part of my post, yes,I think the fedgov is corrupt. The comment I made after that, I think made it clear that the market should be the judge of GMO products, assuming the producers fully disclose content and results of product testing in clear language with the same emphasis as positive marketing claims. That is, they should not be similar to pharmaceutical tv advertising with their over emphasis on positive claims, de-emphasis on side effects, and their cuddly cartoon characters to subliminally convey innocence. ;^)

Have you J-curves in hand for glyphosphate and some of the heavy metals to which we often expose ourselves? Or antibiotic-resistant pathogens?

Have you ever run into the "J-Curve" and how it relates to 'toxic' or dangerous substances?

At some low concentrations, the body doesn't recognize a threat and can be damaged by it.
At a high concentration, the body is overwhelmed and may succumb.
And sometimes, at some larger-than-tiny concentration, the body defends itself and survives quite well.

YMMV, again... Or in the terms I learned in a grad school Business Law course, the right answer is Very Often, "It Depends."

:)

Now how about my own point about avoiding things that can't do your cells any good--and embracing things that might steel your body to ward bad things off?

Have you seen some of Reason Magazine's recent reports on the alleged benefits of Organic Farming?

Just Wondering...

Absolutely! And I've been reading three or so of the Freakonomics books and some of the data they analyzed and drew 'economics type conclusions' from are relevant to your post above. I recommend the series.

And what followed your "Q" in the post above seemed to go "judge, jury and executioner" based on the Question, not any proof of guilt. Makes it hard to "+1" a post like that... for me, anyway.

I believe that Monsanto's lawsuit was against a farmer or farmers who kept aside GMO SEEDS for use in subsequent plantings, which was a breach of contract with Monsanto specified at original purchase.

Hm?

Absolutely! And my dad smoked, probably compromising the future for his heart, too. And mom never smoked. And I smoked pipe but quit some 40+ years ago. Did that encourage my a-fib? Maybe, but my brother didn't smoke.

Ayn Rand died of lung cancer.... Fact.
Ayn Rand 'smoked like a chimney'... "Fact."

Correlation? Maybe. Causation? We don't know for sure yet. Some recent discoveries make it look like cancer may be 'caused' by some stem-cell malfunction... long before GMOs or nicotine could be blamed... unless Mom smoked... OR Didn't ... during pregnancy.... Or her mom did... Or, or, or...

I don't support assumptions or conclusions until theories can be experimentally tested and proven.... somewhat Objectivist of me? I like to attribute it to innate skills plus training in Engineering and Scientific Methods.

Or maybe it's genetic... or...

Do You See My Point Yet????????????

Thank you for your response however if you do a little research you will find the early 90s is when they infiltrated our food system with GMO and GE frank-in food! In the process of playing God they have stripped the nutrients from the ground and have added chemicals that have no value for our bodies! If you would like to learn more go to Mercol.com and read altered genes and twisted truths. It is population control it is the very root of cancer and many autoimmune disease you have been lied too. Our health care is managed disease care! As aside my Dad is 79 and believes what you do It is a slow gradual death kinda like what the progressive movement has done regarding our government and our lives! I am a constitutional conservative and am 55.

There has been no human trials.
There is sufficient data to raise concern and warrent further study before releasing this wide spread. There's also the problem of Monsanto being able to sue a farm whose crop they contaminated with their pollen. That is very wrong.

That does not mean we give up and accept the rifle shots of the player in the shooting gallery as somebody we just ignore, knowing he can't hit everybody and "chances are" he won't hit us.

Ayn Rand died of lung cancer because she smoked like a chimney. Once she received the diagnosis, she stopped. But by then she had done damage she could not reverse.

and if you were to plot the incidence of cancer on THIS graph, too... http://www.plusaf.com/pix/homepagepix...

One of the things you might conclude is that, 1) hockey-stick graphs can be VERY misleading, and 2) more people are dying from cancer today because life expectancies have "recently" increased to the point where people CAN DEVELOP cancer.... didn't happen when life expectancy was a few dozen years....

http://www.plusaf.com/pix/homepagepix...


Cheers!

And, as I repeatedly ask, are the GMO "experiments" on humans that are so scary the ones where rats eat GMO SEEDS or where Humans Eat Plant Products GROWN From GMO Seeds????

I can detect a difference between the two 'theories' or "experimental processes."

Apparently, the mainscream media can't, and a LOT of folks believe the MSM....

in moderation... I'm on 'baby aspirin' for my afib, but if I took a whole regular aspirin every day, my hemorrhoids would bleed out...

As I tell the pre-op bariatric folks I talk to every month... "Everybody Is Different. AND Every Body Is Different"... my version of YMMV... :)

The cancer statistics are pretty grim. Cancer incidence and prevalence seems to vary directly as the degree of industrialization. That suggests industrialization is exposing the population to slow poisons we don't even recognize as poisons.

The source I found also suggests ways to change one's diet to enhance the immune response to cancer, and to remove some of those slow poisons. So--back to my analogy of cancer to the player in the shooting gallery--we don't have to be sitting ducks, and can both armor ourselves and duck away from the bullets to some degree. Eating organic and non-GMO foods is a way to do both.

I lost both parents decades ago to heart disease and heart attack. I developed atrial fibrillation just a year or two ago; my brother developed it earlier this year... but he's 16+ years older than I am... go figure.
I lost an uncle to cancer and an aunt to Parkinson's.
All of our data are, to a degree, anecdotal. I sprayed my first home with malathion regularly to kill ants and have been exposed to gasoline and benzene back in the 'old days' of working on my cars.
I have not developed cancer.
While science is getting damned close to figuring out what REALLY causes cancer, the final answers haven't appeared yet.
I'm sorry to hear of your losses. Those are the kinds of things that create extreme sensitivity to certain things in people.
I found the lump in my wife's breast and she says "I saved her life"... but we haven't made any major life changes as a result... other than surgery, radiation and chemo... but they're not part of our daily lives today.

Sorry Richard, that's something I would expect from some on the other side of the fence. I am 70 years old, and you would not believe the things I have eaten in my life time, and I really have never been sick a day in my life. Chemistry is wonderful!

"Controlling"?? I don't know about that.

Statins: My mother was on statins for awhile. Then one day, I was walking through the mall with her and she said she couldn't continue, it felt like she was walking through water. she had test run and they couldn't find anything. They concluded it was a "uncommon form of ALS". 1 month after she first started having problems she was using a scooter to get around. within 3 months she was mostly bed-ridden.
9 months after first had this problem, she died. We're convinced it was Statins. Note their claim of "Muscle pain or weakness"
Statins have not been proven to provide any benefit.
I do not trust the AMA, CDC, FDA, USDA, or any other gov't agency - they are overrun with special interest.
There has been plenty of studies of GMO on rats - and they didn't live. There has been ZERO studies on Human.
"Scientific Consensus" is not science. Just like Climate change, we're being told to Sit Down, shut up, and eat our peas.
It gets real simple, if Monsanto can produce a crop that bugs won't eat, why should we eat it?