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The Flawed Private Property Argument Against Immigration

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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Private property rights can never be used to imprison people.

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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're putting words in my mouth. As I said, I would challenge that person and if he/she chose not to obey I would remove them from my property.If his/her expulsion became an issue where me or my family felt threatened, yes I would use lethal force and even take a life if it had to be.

    I never said I would shoot or harm someone for simply stepping on my property.

    Would you do any less?
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is amazing the ignorance of what property rights are. But not surprising since WS is an austrian.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I explained your property rights are not unlimited. If you shot someone for just stepping on your property, with no clear intent to hurt you, then you are the criminal.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Government control of land in Nevada, Alaska, etc. is not "ownership" in the usual sense of property rights ownership, it's statist control (and so was the tribalist control of the Indians, who did not recognize private property rights in land either). You can't as a practical matter claim unowned land in Nevada only because the government does not permit it. Until the last part of the 19th century when progressives took over, unsettled land in the west could be claimed.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 7 months ago
    "Private property rights can never be used to imprison people."

    This reminds me of anti-private property rights arguments I used to hear claiming that property rights allows someone to "buy up a 1 inch strip of land around you to imprison you." It makes no more sense than claiming that someone could drop a steel cage over you to imprison you and you have no right to get out because he owns the cage. Or, someone could get away with shooting you because he owns the bullets.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 7 months ago
    So if you obtain property rights in land because you made it productive, what do we do about Nevada? Either the government owns 84% of Nevada or no one does. Or possibly the Indians.

    So how does someone ever get possession of property in Nevada? Who would issue a title and by what right. And, I would argue, that if you have the right to issue clear title to land, then you own it. If it is the government that we acknowledge as having that right, then we acknowledge that the government currently owns it.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Additionally: By placing an illegal alien in holding for 6 month for a repeated offense before deporting you take away the potential income he/she will be sending home. The risk of being caught and losing 6 months of income would serve to discourage repeat offenders AND allow us to track those entering our country illegally. Those who commit serious crimes should be imprisoned longer with bonus years added for not being here legally, then they get deported.

    Logical.

    PS

    I have 12 more months before your Carousel.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Precedent and incrementalism. First you bring the subject up but blame it on the other side.

    Then you devalue the retirement income of the elderly by oh let's say thirty percent.

    Then you screw with the medical benefits under the guise of helping them and make it illegal to buy over the border.

    Legalize assisted suicide which considering the prohibitive cost of assisted care and the conditions I've witnessed is becoming better looking all the time as compared to the cruel but not unusual punishment waiting people in their last four or five years.

    Next comes making it illegal to work at WalMart unless you are in the retail clerks union.

    I'm again only half jesting. The .first four are real events. The last one is a work in progress

    The only thing I can't refute is 'logic.' When it happens look for the out the escape hatch. It wil lbe their labeled Presidents, Congress and Friends only.

    No logic to it especially the part about supporting them
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Logic. You enter my property without my consent and I have no way of knowing if you are a danger to me and mine, particularly at night. Should my query as to why you are here not meet my satisfaction you will be asked to leave. If you so desire to object to that command I will expel you, forcefully if need be. Wouldn't you do the same?

    Who's not rationally thinking on this matter? Who is not using logic here?

    Again, I would not come to your home, pitch a tent in your yard and use your hose, electric outlet and BBQ without first asking AND receiving your permission. My inherent right to travel DOES NOT extend into places owned by someone else (in this example you).
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes and I advocate that all men over 50 be put to death so we can save on Social Security? Logic please.
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    Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 7 months ago
    I live in Phoenix, Arizona where illegal immigration has a huge impact of the state and life in general. I suggest and support 6 months+ imprisonment before deportation for repeat offenders or those caught committing crimes.

    Step on my property without my consent and you will be challenged and/or detained, if necessary. Step on my property at night without my consent, you will be challenged and theres a damn good chance you'll be taken away in an ambulance, wishing you were arrested.

    Thats my reality living in this border state. My family's safety is not trumped by anyone's individual "right to travel." My property is private.
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