Sorry bout that. Did you see the corrected one?

Southern Arizona and your part of Oklahoma are not at all the same.

In the UK, what I said is true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

Glenn Beck's 9/12 project was an attempt to take back what was America. I did not go to any 9/12 meetings, but I did meet Beck at a book signing. Right or wrong, he is at least genuine.

Arpaio's views are not irrational. Arpaio's problem is that he doesn't have the authority to do a job that should not be his, but has become his precisely because the federal government will not do its job.

he spent 40 years with the DEA fighting the drug cartels in Mexico. As for illegal immigration he conducted raids at businesses known to have illegals using fraudulent documents (identity theft). His stance, "I enforce the law. Change the law and I'll change how I do my job." For this he's been relentlessly persecuted and attained near-hero status for the only one doing a damn thing about this issue.

Absolutely right. "Three things" to end it.

That poor guy. Gotta love Sheriff Joe. But he should be leading the charge to end the war on drugs. And end the income tax and welfare. His own irrational views keep him in the trenches. To be fair, I'm not sure where he stands on welfare and income taxes.

lawsuits, public ridicule, lopsided accountability, anticipated and project presumed guilt.

Difference. The native population is very small and entirely surrounded and dependent on those surrounding them, that be us.The US is 320 million people, the influx even at 20 million is comparatively small. Allowing THEM to create cultural pockets in the middle of our nation where they do not seek to be American does hurt our culture and the move among us expanding theirs.This is why illegal aliens must be identified via social welfare and social services use and passively deported. This is why a concerted effort must be made to enforce the law and make coming to America illegally less attractive.

There are areas of downtown Glendale, Arizona where there are spanish only signs on stores where if you speak english they look at YOU funny. Hell, I had a guy the other day, in broken english, panhandle me for peso's outside of a supermarket - yes he actually asked for peso's 200 miles north of the border. It's just that real.

Intentional? I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Speaking of not politically correct, I live next to the largest indian reservation in the country. It's all about "protecting their culture". It takes a lot of your money to protect their culture. My money too, and I know it's not doing anybody any good. It is a very flawed concept.

I'm not too sure about that. Where I live presently, farmers and ranchers put electric fences everywhere to control cattle. I've never heard of anyone filing charges against a property owner for walking into one.

I've never personally seen a Tea Party meeting. There isn't one where I'm at. We have a 9/12 group. Remember Glenn Beck's version? Begin with a prayer, end with a prayer. Felt like I was in a catholic church. Rise, kneel, rise, sit, kneel, rise. WTF is that? But I still get some emails occasionally.

That's because their message is wrong.

Sheriff Joe Arapio has been prosecuted by the Oministration for many years. In fact, he's in court now.

When did you last see a Tea Party meeting? We had six in three years, and none since the end of 2011. We commonly had 2,000 attendees at such events.

"At whose expense?" is a question I have asked from the beginning of this debate regarding immigrants' right to travel vs. nation's territorial integrity. Immigrants coming here should not be a demand on citizens to be altruistic, but ... it has.

They have shouted from the mountaintops of Arizona, and have been told to shut up. Move along, nothing to see.

Where I live, if you don't protect your children, your property, your possessions, and your culture you could be robbed blind or worse.

As for "free range" I enjoyed that as a youth growing up on Long Island, NY. If my children were permitted to be "free range" here in Phoenix as I was growing up in NY they would be accosted or worse. Yes, I've chased off a broken-english speaking pervert in pickup truck who asked my daughter and her friend to help find his lost puppy. Yes, I've had mail stolen from my mailbox by a Spanish only speaking 4 year old boy in diapers. Yes, I've had my cable taken out by the Spanish-only speaking neighbors who lived (9 of them) next door for 6-months, (never made a payment, trashed the house, lowered my property value).

Added: I had a bank, Bank One it was called, insist I use a spanish language deposit slip in the drive through. I asked for English and the broken English teller told me there were none. I went inside and there were plenty. I made my deposit, spoke to the branch manage and reminded her that my business does a lot of transactions and I expect my banking document them in English in the United States.

I'm in no way politically correct. I see and react to what I see. Living in NY I was never armed. In Arizona I'd be a fool not to be.

Shouldn't these people be the first to stand up and shout from the highest mountaintops (or cactus, as the case may be) to end the war on drugs, and end welfare, and end the income tax? If they do not put up real solutions how can the rest of us stand with them? How can we join them, much less support them when we are all too busy arguing over the details of a solutionless solution?

We have politically correct on this site? Holy crap! Where did they come from? Are they lost?

As to becoming feminized, do you suppose this is due to laziness, complacency, or something far more sinister, as jbrenner suggested, an intentional guided path?

The war on drugs is the first to go. The drug lords become, or are replaced by businessmen. No pursuit necessary. At that point, if the Sonoran Mexicans wish to continue to engage, well, I suppose we could use a few more states. ;) No visa or passport necessary. Just more hard working Americans.

The applicable question/answer here would again be by Ayn Rand: "At whose expense?" The individuals of the nation provide the money so it is the individuals who must decide.

Yes, you are right.
But hey, I was young. :)

Thanks for keeping me on track.

Not to worry, I am not taking offense. I hope your are not either. I have seen and respect many of your positions. Many of your comments here were from a position of defense and I was hoping to get past that. I also understand your disgust with the system and eagerness to shrug although your hard fought battle here implies to me that you are not yet ready to give up. Hell, your what you call a "shrug job" has more of an effect toward improving things than anything I have ever done. If I was in a better financial position I might be shrugging too.

Boner is gone. Don't give up on the Tea Party. It is still young. The message is not yet solid and consistent. That's what I like to think we're doing here. I notice that we all make the mistake of thinking that this is a new battle we're losing. But it is not a new battle. 1776 was only the beginning of this battle. And we are only now seeing it for what it really is.

Thanks for letting me get that out there.