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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lordy! all y'all are Such Literalists! :)

    During the est 6-Day Training back around 1983 or 4, I figured out the Right Answer... and it's right out of the Socratic Method... The Right Answer is a Question:

    What Is Sound?

    i.e., before we can answer The Question, we need a bit of an agreement on some definitions, without which The Answer can not be found!

    Enjoy!
    oh, and the answer to "What's the sound of one hand clapping?" is quite similar... :))))))))))
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct but not in Classical Greek.

    Old Hebrew and some Aramaic
    New Greek

    Latin came next and served to enslave more than elucidate until the translations into other languages. With the split in the one true church the Eastern Orthodox developed another new eastern European form. Today we call it Russian but like English it has many variations but it's roots are Greek. You will notice many of the letters are similar or exactly the same.

    http://biblica.com

    "During the thousand years of its composition, almost the entire Old Testament was written in Hebrew. But a few chapters in the prophecies of Ezra and Daniel and one verse in Jeremiah were written in a language called Aramaic. This language became very popular in the ancient world and actually displaced many other languages. Aramaic even became the common language spoken in Israel in Jesus' time, and it was likely the language He spoke day by day. Some Aramaic words were even used by the Gospel writers in the New Testament.

    The New Testament, however, was written in Greek. This seems strange, since you might think it would be either Hebrew or Aramaic. However, Greek was the language of scholarship during the years of the composition of the New Testament from 50 to 100 AD. The fact is that many Jews could not even read Hebrew anymore, and this disturbed the Jewish leaders a lot! So, around 300 BC a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek was undertaken, and it was completed around 200 BC. Gradually this Greek translation of the Old Testament, called the Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. It also became a wonderful missionary tool for the early Christians, for now the Greeks could read God's Word in their own tongue.

    So the New Testament authors wrote in Greek. They did not, however, use really high-class or classical Greek, but a very common and everyday type of Greek. For many years some scholars ridiculed the Greek of the New Testament because many of its words were strange to those who read the writings of the great Greek classical authors such as Plato and Aristotle. But later many records were uncovered of ordinary people, and amazingly there were the same common terms used in everyday speech! The ridicule dried up accordingly."

    The two kinds of Greek are Attic and Koine - Classical and Common. In modern English we call it Proper and Vulgate which became Traditional which has now become just vulgar. But it is the language of common people. Editors, Newscasters, Car Sales Staff, Politicians, Reporters.... I speak with tongue in one cheek, half in jest and a twinkle in my eye.

    My thanks to my Uncle who unlike his heathen nephew continued the effort started long ago and helped develop a written language for the Central African Republic natives. Most of whom succumbed to intertribal warfare and AIDs.

    Not all stories have happy endings.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 7 months ago
    Let me try to put all this in a new perspective. Seeing that I will be publishing a conscious commentary on the history of preconscious man: The Old Testament, civilization for dummies: The Torah and an ancient blog about it all: The New Testament, also containing and a rant about the status quo that uses this information to keep us subservient and in that preconscious mindset. The latter hasn't changed much.

    1. Something created creation...or the cosmos if you prefer.
    2. That something was obviously conscious...see Einstein and quantum physicist in their observations that Consciousness governs creation.
    3. This creator was obviously aware of it's creation...see science that has observed how specific things have been designed...one decimal off and the whole thing collapses.
    4. Of all the creatures on earth, only mankind, (some of us anyway) became conscious, developed a conscience, a subconscience and a mind outside our brain; against all odds and disempowerments. see; Julian Jaynes's work on the subject.
    5. Human brains transceives vibratory energy and through the mind achieves a direct connection to the ether; that space between units of energy that when assembled form atoms, cells and things we determine to be solid.
    Einstein and Edison measured thought energy in the either and how it effects matter.
    However, one could and obviously did send thoughts through the ether even without a mind or a connection to it, but, it was a shot in the dark so to speak.
    6. The discussion in number 5 refers to what is called a 'Quantum Event', I call it "ask and receive". This is how creation has been designed.
    7. Humans have a tendency to humanize everything. This discussion also demonstrate's our penchant for mystifying and deifying anything we don't understand...this is a pagan preconscious bicameral Remanent...the results of first hearing a voice in our heads that was actually ours, although we were not aware that it was our voice.
    8. The 3 books mentioned here, are probably the most important books in human times. Problem is, we don't understand bicameral man and his attempts at describing our history and, not to mention how our language has been confounded naturally and on purpose, it's all written in bicameral speak and written for bicameral man.
    9. Once one studies, science, psychology, biology, archaeology and quantum physics combined with the work of Jaynes; only then do you begin to understand our biblical ancestors.
    You also might see that Jesus the man was expressing conscious thought, behavior and a world view to it's fullest extent. It would seem that he had an extraordinary connection to the either, a consequence of creation.
    10. So, one of the big questions remaining is one inwhich we must all answer for ourselves...hopefully in a conscious way.
    A. Is the either a direct connection to it's creator in real time? or B. Was creation designed to seem that way by proxy of a direct connection?

    Observing how much emotion and profoundly honest intent it takes to get answers, a bit of good luck, or a degree of protection in an effort to create value. I have a tendency to chose the latter; (created in proxy).

    One thing is self evidently clear though...one must appreciate the consequences of this creation otherwise it doesn't work at all.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If only SOMEONE would write back and tell us!!!!

    Or email, or even Tweet
    or SnapChat...

    SOMEONE! PLEASE!

    /sarc.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If The Message were delivered in a forest and there was nobody there to hear it?
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Happenstance may not have been the best word. In the categorizing of the books, Revelations did not fit anywhere else. So it ended up at the end. Also, there is a school of thought that says that the Gospel of John and his epistles were written after Revelations, which would have John condeming himself if Revelations 22:18-19 were to be applied to the entire Bible.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 7 months ago
    Then again, Harriet Beecher Stowe attributed "Un-
    cle Tom's Cabin" to Him---As to Jesus Christ, as
    far as I know, He never wrote any books. But then,
    it is claimed that he was one with his Father.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The positioning of Revelations at the end of the Bible is far from happenstance. It made sense to discuss the "end times" at ... the end. Also, Revelations was the last of the canonical books/letters written.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 7 months ago
    He was last seen flying an airplane toward the mountains.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 7 months ago
    Imagine, if you will, a classic prophet in today's world. When he or she announced that they had spoken with God, they would either be ignored, ridiculed, or tested for hallucinatory substances. The prophet's predictions that came true would be disregarded as "coincidence" (even if Yogi would say "Sometimes things are too coincidental to be a coincidence."). There would be some believers, but most would remain skeptical. Would the deity's message be heard?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're welcome to believe in what you wish or not believe at all. In the end, either it won't matter one bit or it will make all the difference in the world.
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  • Posted by WilliamRThomas 9 years, 7 months ago
    Good one!

    But the Onion missed out, by claiming that God has stopped writing since around the year 1 AD..

    Lots of people think God has been writing more recently than that:

    Muslims all think God dictated fresh material to Mohammed.

    Mormons were mentioned here: God is thought to have revealed more of His Word to Joseph Smith

    The Bahai'i: Bahá'u'lláh got the Word in the 19th Century, too.

    Those are just a few. Are they knock-offs, or has God been working up new material, with varying degrees of success in getting it read?

    (Tongue now removed from cheek.)
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As an Objectivist I am an atheist. Anyone who has a religious belief is therefore a mystic.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No. Long ago, I backslid so far down I had to take the subway to work, and I lived in a city that didn't have one.
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