When your right to life is threatened by another individual you have the right to defend yourself on equal terms as the perpetrator of the threat. If a government or public servant of a government wishes to deter or deny your right to self defense than they are in violation of your rights. I prefer to be responsible for my own defense rather than have someone else defend me! Molon Labe.

Oregon recently passed some new gun laws similar to the ones recently passed in Washington State. Perhaps we should let a few states pass extreme gun laws and then see how much more they get like Chicago, Washington DC, New Jersey. Of course however passing extreme laws in some states only gives them an excuse that crime goes up because guns are available in the state next door. What kind of sense does that make? Crime goes up because guns are no longer available here but still available in a the state next door? Give me a break. Perhaps that's why Chicago has so many shootings, because guns are available in other cities, or states, or countries.

I live in this town they call Roseburg Oregon. A good portion of the wood that your homes were built with came from our County. We are a county of hard workers and ethics. We are also a county of Vets and the poor. The UCC campus is in my Water District and I have been dealing with media, and BS since the minute this happened. We do not like this attention. If I would have to guess I would say that 60% of adults in this county are CCW permit holders and we like our guns. I found this posting on FB that kind of sums up who we are: Share this so the nation can see ‪#‎Roseburg‬ through the eyes of one of its beloved residents.
Roseburg, Oregon is a city steeped in the tradition of quality, sustainable ‪#‎lumber‬. Our community is encompassed by the North and South ‪#‎UmpquaRivers‬. These rivers provide life-sustaining hydration to the forests that the county has depended on for industry for the last 80 years. They are the namesake of many businesses in this area, including our local community college.
We are ‪#‎millworkers‬ and the families of millworkers. We smell of lumber, grease, sweat, babies, ‪#‎happyhour‬, hard work and the ‪#‎AmericanDream‬. In the evenings, we enjoy a ‪#‎beer‬ and football, on the weekends we hunt and fish, in the summer we ‪#‎floattheriver‬, and every month we bust our butts to put food on the table and provide for our families. We are second, third, fourth, fifth and maybe sixth generation Douglas County residents. We ‪#‎standforthenationalanthem‬, we ‪#‎supportourtroops‬, we protect our property, and we take pride in this way of life.
We are not ‪#‎uccshooting‬.
We are not ‪#‎guncontrol‬.
We are ‪#‎roseburgoregon‬.
We are ‪#‎douglascounty‬.
We are nurses, teachers, ‪#‎students‬, caregivers, ‪#‎lgbt‬, ‪#‎religious‬, non-religious, we song write and paint, ‪#‎cardio‬ and lift, we are millworkers and medical professionals, ‪#‎hairdressers‬, bartenders, ‪#‎actors‬ and construction workers. We are masters degrees and GEDs. We baby wear and cloth diaper. We ‪#‎breastfeed‬ and clean eat. We are republican, ‪#‎democrat‬, independent and ride the fence. We are ‪#‎prochoice‬ and pro life. We are a ‪#‎blendedfamily‬.
In the wake of this tragedy, our community will open its arms to each other and comfort those who are grieving. We will protect those who feel vulnerable and mourn the loss of our sons and daughters. This... insanity has not broken us; it will bind us together.
‪#‎weareUCC‬
‪#‎IamUCC‬
‪#‎prayforUCC‬
‪#‎prayforRoseburg‬
‪#‎pray‬

Alek Skarlatos, one of the three people who stopped the Muslim terrorist train situation in France, attended the community college in Oregon where the latest shooting occurred. This might be a coincidence, but I generally don't believe in them. If this is an attack of revenge, then it is perfectly analogous to the Tom Clancy book and movie "Patriot Games".

The shooter asked the victims what their religion was.

The French train situation mentioning Alek Skarlatos is linked below:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/europe/...

In case you guys did not see this: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com...

You know, I keep thinking these are not just random events...is it probable they are orchestrated?, prodded or contagious?
My mind keeps going back to Cathy O'Brien's experience with project monarch.
See: The Trans-formation of America.

Could it be so? To what degree would you assign a percentage of probability.

Charles Krauthammer just said that we should expect such mass shootings once in a while as a consequence of the fact that we have chosen liberty over security, and he thought (like an Objectivist) that the balance of liberty to security was appropriate.

Has anyone heard whether or not he was muslim? I keep hearing atheist but muslim would also explain the christian question.