hasn't the u.s. substituted other criteria for voting -- no longer
must we own land, be male, be of european heritage --
but now, we must either be born here to citizens, or earn
citizenship through a process defined by laws ... ?
we've substituted laws for rules. . we still control voting.
as we should, very responsibly!!! -- j
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+1

I agree this is a political post and I brought in philosophy. and your comment is about political strategy. Which is more important? Policy: pro-reason, pro-objectivist, pro free market policies to solve this problem -none of which would include building a wall. making immigration harder than it is currently.
1.eliminate welfare. this is the perfect time in our History to bring it up
2. eliminate laws and agencies which feed on the War on Drugs
3. eliminate the IRS and income tax

that's a start. but gulchers in here, while giving lip service to some of these plans, are more content keeping "them" out

Nick, respectfully, then you do not understand what the word "right" means

again, you come from a collectivist point of view and others in here seem to agree with that view. However, this is an Objectivism site and I stick to those principles which clearly see every man as an individual, his reason his own

But is not the whole idea of "refugee" meaning people who have left their own environment because they lost the ability to effect it, and others were inflicting harm on them? The real answer would be then to make those who are inflicting harm on them stop, then there is no need for them to become refugees. The whole refugee idea to me is something that is open to manipulation like crazy. If you have a tsunami or major earthquake, do you then pull up stakes and move to where there are none, whether those living there want you or not? Are you not then inflicting your problems on them? I think the world has taken the "kindness" idea too far to the point it is now an excuse for anyone to go move into your nation because they failed to control their own. The individual has to be responsible for their own society at some point, not just pull up stakes and move where others are because they didn't. Mexico has allowed corruption and drug lords to exist for many years, why do they now deserve to run where others did not? We have our own collection of political criminals we have to try to keep from inflicting themselves on us, I do not want a whole herd of people who failed in that same endeavor to come in and inflict their failure upon me. It isn't necessarily right, but I would rather we give them some guns to protect their own freedom than let them move into my front yard.

Thanks.. your Politico link led me to http://www.politico.com/magazine/stor... and I don't need any other secondary sources for that story because I WORKED at HP during Carly's Entire Reign... and before and after.

Gather data everywhere and compare..! :)

kh, I almost always agree with you but on this one I have to totally disagree. Throwing gun control into this is wrong. No one is saying we should restrict voting of women or any other citizen!!!!

I guess I was too stupid to realize what the Democrats have been doing all of these years and why they fight stopping illegal immigration. In the near future, Democrat states will have so many Electoral College votes that there can NEVER be a Conservative or Republican ever in the White House. That is why the Democrat states are all sanctuary cities/states.

Count everyone in the census but only citizens for Electoral College!!!! I believe if this was changed, the Democrats would not be so happy about the influx of illegals.

States like California are going broke to get more Electoral votes but they don't care as long as the Democrats win!!!!

Khalling, maybe we are mixing a few things up here. It is the government burden that is making it so hard on him. I have no problem with someone who wants to come here who has some existing stake in the country, or who can bring in the skills or resources to take care of themselves. I do not think someone standing on the border in a tattered pair of jeans with 2 cents has that same right. It ends up with a herd of people here that become too tempting a target to be manipulated by the powerful for their own ends, which I think was the start of this discussion. Your jeff is a different animal from the people being described in the article. IMHO.

I think you have the ingredients of the real solution to the issue. The Constitution made a basic assumption that citizenship was a given. Everyone who came over on a boat then was considered a citizen. I am unaware of a definition contained in it, however, remember that other laws then did define a voter (money, sex, color). One of the things I could never understand was how we had a social system defined on Freedom, that turned around and took a fundamental part of it away from a majority of people in it. Clearly Ayn included citizenship as an integral portion of the definition of a free nation. I think that that does imply the need for clear controls on how you get that citizenship, otherwise it becomes a moot point. You could have a nation of a billion people and say they are all citizens, but you would not have a free nation (if contained within our current land area). So it seems some requirements must be inherent.

The ads and "interesting paid links" on that page alone destroy their credibility.

"what kind of men are these?" -- they're stuck in the seventh century. -- j
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They forgot also...dead people and multivoters...
But truely...this is sick...

Are there any other countries we can go to and screw up THEIR election?
We need some social justice here!...again[sic]

I just added it to my wish list.

decrease the population, collectivist thinking-many of these Syrians are NOT muslim. Why are ayou here? Did you like the movies? have you read much Rand?

Please don't go too far, Dr. Jim;;; we need you here!!! -- j
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you might want to read "Unsustainable," the last book
which I edited -- it postulates that solution, and follows it
through to a logical conclusion! -- j

http://www.amazon.com/Unsustainable-T...
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Have a tisy fit. I vote for a wall