Say what you will, but we now have a Libertarian as Speaker of the House.

Posted by Zero 9 years, 6 months ago to News
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Maybe I just have lower standards for politicians - but I'm kinda pleased about this.

Will it make any difference - I don't know - probably not. Seems its all bad news lately.

But I'll take what I can get.
We now have a person with strong free-market views 3rd in line for the Presidency!
Ha!


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I uised the same attitude and planned ahead for times for cash on hand of projected worst need. That amount is now one half of what I get. SSA is the other half. Added together it's half of what I need to live in the USSA. Our new global nickname. OF course when they were crashing the economy and devaluing buying power they could have added that in as a cost of living adjustment. Ha HA HA. Honesty and the Government Party total at best an oxymoron.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There IS NO SUCH THING as shutting down the government. It doesn't exist. it never has it's a left wing socialist fascit lie. The government never shuts down. Our people really that stupid?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In cLintons day the entire former women's movement capitulated and imploded making fools of themselves for Cute Butt Clinton. they still haven't recovered from choosing philandering over their (supposed) sisters. NOW how do you spell sexist traitors out of that?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nice but what was accomplished. Boehner eases out with a secure future...The other guy eases in with the blessings of the left. Did it change anything? It did not just diverted attention for a little bit of time. Nothing has materially changed besides a slight improvement in the quality of the actors in the street theater national charade. Only one, ONE, individual has made the a quantitative step. Only one. He wasn't a Republican

    In adding up the tote Republican = Rino= Democrat = Dion = Socialist Party. Still the lapdogs of the left no matter the thespian skills.

    Talking or acting is not the same as doing. That' a pure left wing trait.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Zero: Yet... like the mind is pertinent to the individual so is the pain.
    In those rare moments when "the body opens and the soul looks out"
    there is a raw beauty to the truth of that moment and a dignity that cannot be overlooked.

    Each of us expresses our position at any given moment, along with our need and our desire.
    There are different approaches to finding that congruent center within ourselves and, more often than not, can be misunderstood and misinterpreted... The importance is to stay the path.

    Here is a +1 for jlc/Jan and MichaelA.

    Thanks for the great post Zero!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not atheist but every day I say Thank God for Ayn Rand. I'm also not shackled by fascist religious dogma that seeks complete control. Or by do as I say not as I do practitioners.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and with good reason the current definition leaves them no place to go. It was erased when they moved the center to the center of the left. But if use a better and more historically correct definition ' the area defined as the source of power.' In this case Citizens versus the money of a few billionaires. Both of you have a home.

    Define Not Devine ....and do not accept the definitions of the opposition. Words have meanings and their meaning is totalitarian control and subjection of reason and freedom.

    They just said so openly. Socialist Not democratic.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wrong fascism can be applied anywhere as soon as any system right, left, religious or university campus applies complete control. That is the true definition of fascism. It was use by the Fascist party but is not restricted to the left though it is used primarily by the left. Parents may exhibit fascist tendencies from time to time in raising their children using belts instead of reason. You were ALMOST there but not quite. I didn't make up that definition it's standard outside the world of PC.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then you will have to live with it. That's your independent choice to support evil after having defined it as such yourself. No one else. You alone bear responsibility for the consequences. No one else. Just you and your conscience.

    Leftist supporter? Of course you just chose and stated so in your reasoning to support the left. What other conclusion could there be?

    I didn't make that decision you did.

    Does the left have to be an evil institution. No it does not.

    Some still have one foot in the center which is the Constitution for the rest of us. Those are people who believe in a bit more federalism than does the center. Which I think is what you are struggling to define as your position. But current definitions don't allow that do I changed them to suit reality. On the other side opposite government over people is citizens over government. They too must keep one foot in the sacred ground of the Constitution.

    Both must use the Amendment system for substantive change including changing the amendment system.

    Neither side can ignore or institute as dictatorship either by a President or a Judge nor by the whim of one State. Same Sex got in by those routes, Does that mean because Oregon voted for accepting ballots from the graveyard or recreational drug use the rest MUST follow. No it does not.

    But if it means voting for a left wing progressive extremist of the now admittedly socialist camp I submit you have moved beyond the pale. Beyond the common bond and accepted evil. By my definition. I get to make that observation.

    Which means more drift to the left. Drift? How about stampede.

    Extreme Left complete government control

    Left = government control over people

    Its center puts the source of power somewhere between fascism and mind control.

    Center and right by true definition is recognizing the source of power is not divine but defined as

    Citizens over government.

    One side recognizes Citizens the other recognizes persons in the same manner as serfs, slaves, peons and peasants.Not humans, some things to pee on.

    Lest I forget the extreme right becomes Anarchy the complete absence of government and perhaps rejection of society.

    Referring to my other submission.

    By those standards almost every Republican and all Democrats are left wing and their center is not the sacred ground of the nation. It's too fascist too socialist and too progressive to have anything to do with center Its too extreme. It is too evil as it seeks to subjugate human independence, reason, thought and freedoms and is in no way democratic.

    So we get to your choices? Of all the candidates of the left only one ended up being acceptable. A choice. None so far have come from the Republican/RINO wing of the left. So
    I'm speaking of Jim Webb. Others may join him and those of us in or near the center by repudiating their connection as a group or as individuals. It remains to be seen. I support a complete split between RINO republicans and Centirst Republicans.

    Enough......Read the other post on Define not Divine which alludes to Divine Right of Kings but means 'the source of power.'

    think about it see if it answers any questions or can be improved but it's still your choice.

    Perhaps you will find a way to smack me into some reality. I hope so.

    I'm conducting a counter revolution against evil. Therefore I reject it completely. There is no need and compelling reasons to stand against it. But not with leftist PC definitions.










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  • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On the left you have state control of the material world (property, etc. and thus far left is communism) and freedom of consciousness (morality, speech, art, etc.) and on the right you have state control of consciousness (morality, speech, etc. and thus far right fascism, nazism, etc.) and freedom of material world (property, etc.) Both require force or threat of force to implement. You seem to think that if you go further to the right of conservatism that somehow the use of force will be diminished.

    That is why libertarians do no consider themselves as being on the left right political spectrum.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you, Zero. MichaelA's response is a bit puzzling to me as well.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, MichaelA, I offered you an interesting idea.

    The world is not going to match your vision of it. The only possibility of positive change lies in incremental improvements within the bounds of reality.

    And - hey - Did I ask you to fight for me? I did my 4 in the USAF...A lot of people who were alive in the US at that time represented philosophies I did not personally care for. This did not determine what I did or what I believed.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fascism is not the far right. Fascism is collectivism and socialism. That is a common misconception which I think has been promulgated by the left.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really, a one-sentence statement of fact makes me a leftist? My point is that voting for the “lesser of two evils” can sometimes be justified. I didn’t vote for Nixon or McGovern either, but I think Ayn Rand had legitimate reasons for supporting Nixon and urging her readers to vote for him. See http://capitalismmagazine.com/2004/10...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But he won't blame the voters. He will blame the 'system' or the democrats or someone who plans to retire and won't run again.
    Besides, if everyone knew what scumbags they all are the game would be over. They don't know because they are brainwashed, distracted, and somewhat naive. Oh, and insane, too.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who's "you", Mike?
    Your post sounds treacherously close to a personal attack.

    But I'm sure I'm reading it wrong. What reason would you have to be so rude?
    I mean JLC is one of the good "guys" around here. Totally undeserving of such disrespect.

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    Toss back a couple of stiff ones, smoke a doob or cross your legs in that painful way and say "Uuhhhmmmmm" for 20 minutes.
    What ever it takes.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The far left is communism and the far right is fascism. I don't think you want either one. Libertarians are not on the political spectrum. The only libertarians that Rand might have tolerated were those with a rational philosophy.

    Please note that Rand was not a conservative and wrote against the takeover of the Republican party by the conservatives.

    As for Ryan, he tried to believe Rand's objective philosophy but let his belief in god get in the way. He then would no longer have anything to do with the that atheist philosophy.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I did. No problem. It is so easy to be misunderstood when face to face, that I find it is the norm in email and posts. Referring to the former mouthpiece of the House, I was going to use the term “Mr. Boner” --- but I knew somebody would take offense even while I though it was cute — and then the entire discussion gets distracted from the point. I find it difficult to communicate what I mean while keeping the thought in back of my mind that somebody is sure to misunderstand. Anyhow, thank you for clearing it up.
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