What a notion. To demand that something be
provided by someone else. It used not to be so
much the immigrants who did this (but then, I mean
when they were legal). But that whole notion goes
back as far as FDR, and further. So things just
get worse, and worse.

Ok. Yeah right. Like while we're at it, why don't we also abolish citizenship altogether and make us all Comrade Citizens of the People's State of Earth. Get rid of nations and national/state governments, and replace them with branches of the People's State government. From each according to his ability, to each according to need. Abolish private wealth, and if anyone starts getting too influential, take them away for Comrade Re-Education Training.

This is my view. We are dealing with the 'Gas Laws' here, and if we do not understand that we will waste a lot of effort. The US border with Canada does not have to be strongly protected, because it is already in equilibrium. The US border with Mexico represents a huge tech and infrastructure difference and we have to have a strong 'container' if we are going to prevent our 'coming to equilibrium' with a Mexican level of tech.

Jan

The number of people who will immigrate to a new country is proportional to the difference in standard of living between the former country and the new country. A certain percentage of moochers within that population is inevitable.

You do not have to presume anything about the moral character of the immigrants. If they are immigrants who are not expected to assimilate, they will bring their values with them, as this article clearly attests. Moreover, they will expect that you will at least tolerate, and more likely assimilate to, their values.

If you insist! --grins--

Well...bullshit!

Wanna make a wager? I'll bet they get everything they are demanding. It's the way of our world now. Nothing surprises me anymore.

Very good! May I repost?

Obama probably would. These people are basically socialists and would change our culture faster towards socialism for sure. Especially hispanics.

The entitled generation takes over slowly but surely. I say keep the citizenship requirements the same, if not tighter, stop translating everything into foreign languages (make them learn our culture and English), And no welfare or goodies for non citizens. Let them come and work here with work permits, pay no SS taxes and such, but get NO benefits- including the minimum wage benefit. Hows that for political incorrectness...

I don't understand how allowing them to travel freely implies that we condone anything else. And, although I disagree that open borders should be allowed on Objectivist principles, I don't think it has anything to do with presuming anything about their moral character.

US citizens can NOT be presumed to be of noble character or Objectivist values any more than non-citizens. However, when a society does not intentionally screen looters out via the immigration and naturalization process, it is doomed to what America has now.

It's the looter credo - that has gone on for so long that the nation, collectively, has engaged in a form of self-hate and self-loathing... and as such, it's ashamed to claim to have pride in itself, the premise being then they give away what they should be guarding selfishly and jealously from those who wish to take it. Instead, like the moocher and the looter, they are so ashamed of what they have they want to - make that feel compelled to - give it away, rather then demand value for value.

I'm channeling Dr. Sus, er, Suess... --grins--

My first thought on the lead was, "And Obama will issue an executive order granting all of it" before he leaves office..........

"Objectivists have mistakenly presumed that all immigrants are of noble character and Objectivist values. In that, Objectivists need to check their premises. "
Wait - does that mean it is OK to assume a US "citizen" can be presumed to be of noble character and Objectivists values - or I am getting the wrong premise from that statement?

I noticed that a link to "Ten Top Guns" was included in the article.

The Objectivist point is that, by allowing illegal immigrants to have the "right to travel freely", America has condoned their code of values, including all of their "rights" to things that require our sanction as their victims. The article points to the foolishness of the position that many Objectivists in this forum have taken regarding open borders. Objectivists have mistakenly presumed that all immigrants are of noble character and Objectivist values. In that, Objectivists need to check their premises.

You're giving PapaPossum a run for his rhyming money.

Gimme gimme gimme, that's all they can say
I want it for free, and I want to stay
Keep your dumb English, your rules and your law
While I skim off the benefits, stuff them into my maw

Gimme, gimme, gimme, I want it for free
Its good as long as you foot the whole bill for me.
We'll drain your economy (like blood sucking fleas)
for Ishmael, and Jorge, and little Feliz.

Gimme, gimme, gimme, I won't let you say no
then straight to gthe gub'mint, that's where we will go
We'll sell them our vote, under the table we'll serve
'cuz we gots no scruples, no morals, just nerve.

Gimme, Gomme, Gimme, we're having a ball
We'll vote in the libs and stop your damned wall
and when we succeed, and you've no more to give
we'll pack up our bags and find another place to live.

Indeed

+10

You sir, are very, very correct in this. Knowingly commiting a crime and then wanting to justify it and claim the reward. Idiots.From the same people who allowed the drug lords to take over their country and now want to come here and tell us what we have to give them. Bah...