Preferred to a humanism religious theocracy. Man as God gets to be a bit problematic. If Man is where the buck stops, the highest power...he's the God.
Also, with a secular humanism religious theocracy, it's more difficult to determine who are the priests running the show. At least if you're going to have a true God driven religious theocracy, technically, the ecclesiastical authorities tend to be in the Priesthood and easily identified.
The Bushes were definitely disasters. Bushes talked of God, but, certainly didn't act as men of God. Nor as men overflowing with morals and ethics. This, of course, is common for both those who claim a religion and those who disavow them.
Dr. Carson's statement of "keeping the faith" appears to allow for secular humanism and religions that recognize a God: "Equally, the rights of someone to abstain from private prayer should also be jealously protected."
I do believe that all men (and I use that term in the most politically incorrect way - to encompass women) are flawed. I prefer a person who respects life (even if it's a mere piece of tissue about to be born,) respects God and follows Natural Law.
Anyone who wars with, beheads, dismembers or otherwise tramples on another to achieve a goal, religious or otherwise, and declares his actions to be of God...is worshipping a pretender. Anyone who does any of this without invoking God's name but says it's for the "greater good" is still worshipping a pretender.
"fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of God:because , if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
I'm curious what the objection is to a person whose world view is guided by the moral compass of Judeo Christian values, as the Founding Fathers were (and on which The Constitution was based). I think it would be hard to dispute that America under Reagan's leadership wasn't too bad.
I'm by NO means advocating to a theocracy. Like Carson, I believe The Constitution is the law of the land, That said, it's informed by the moral compass of the Judeo-Christian principles of Western Society.
My question continues to be, on what did dbhaling base the assertion of Ben Carson wanting a theocracy (original post)?
Cruz has an untrammeled record of conservatism and adherence to The Constitution. Reagan was a man of unwavering faith as well, me thinks he was a pretty good President.
So...devout Christians have no business running for the office of the President of the United States? I am surprised at your stance on this db. What other limitations do you pose?
By the way, am I allowed to write more than once on the same question? I have been doing it; I hope it's not against the rules.
I don't believe Ethan Allen was a Christian. He fought in the Revolution. He also wrote Reason the Only Oracle of Man. It is a good book, but it doesn't have chapter headings. As I recall, the copy I read didn't have an index, either.
Well, I tried to read the article "Ben Carson is for a religious theocracy"; several times I tried, and the machine wouldn't show it to me. I saw "Bad Re- quest" in the upper left-hand corner. I get pretty sick of this Internet.
Some people don't believe in anything and can't stand anyone that does. That's intellectually honest? If a person doesn't believe, don't worry about it... they will. I reason, therefore, I have faith. Can you wrap your mind around that fact? The biggest revisionist of history have become prominent in the last 10-15 years. Can you reason why? Hint: It has nothing to do with Christianity.
Only a king or queen could force their subjects to abide by a given religious order. Our next President will be a citizen who has lived under "Freedom of Religion" all of their life and couldn't possibly believe that they could change that. The ones who are truly considering enslaving us would be the ones who wish to totally disarm us (like in Great Britain and Australia) and it seems that at least one Democratic candidate has already suggested that possibility. I'm an Agnostic, yet I still can't seem to see why so many people are afraid of leaders who wish to openly follow their religious beliefs.
He has serious mental issues as well as being a collectivist and a wannabe theocratic dictator. He's an idiot savant who has the skills of a neurosurgeon and the mind of mystic.
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I tend to agree with Herb. While I would prefer a candidate who had religion less central to their life (a declared a-religious person would have more problem being elected), I am willing to accept someone who both recognizes the problems that I consider important and has reasonable answers for them. I do not know that I will vote for Ben - that will depend on the final lineup - but I do not exclude him.
You reference "natural rights" as if the notion occurred in a vacuum. The Founding Fathers were committed to natural rights, and recognized that they were the result of a creator, hence the very intentional language: "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights".
That circle is impossible to square with those who want to jettison Judeo-Christian principles from the founding of this country.
Again, this is getting away from your original assertion that Dr. Carson wants a theocracy. Can you provide a single example of him advocating for this?
It's my understanding that the Gulch has rules against ad hominem attacks. Instead of attempting personally insult, perhaps you could debate using actual facts.
What part of "endowed by their Creator" is problematic? The Founding Fathers seemed to think it quite important.
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Also, with a secular humanism religious theocracy, it's more difficult to determine who are the priests running the show. At least if you're going to have a true God driven religious theocracy, technically, the ecclesiastical authorities tend to be in the Priesthood and easily identified.
The Bushes were definitely disasters. Bushes talked of God, but, certainly didn't act as men of God. Nor as men overflowing with morals and ethics. This, of course, is common for both those who claim a religion and those who disavow them.
Dr. Carson's statement of "keeping the faith" appears to allow for secular humanism and religions that recognize a God: "Equally, the rights of someone to abstain from private prayer should also be jealously protected."
I do believe that all men (and I use that term in the most politically incorrect way - to encompass women) are flawed. I prefer a person who respects life (even if it's a mere piece of tissue about to be born,) respects God and follows Natural Law.
Anyone who wars with, beheads, dismembers or otherwise tramples on another to achieve a goal, religious or otherwise, and declares his actions to be of God...is worshipping a pretender. Anyone who does any of this without invoking God's name but says it's for the "greater good" is still worshipping a pretender.
I'm by NO means advocating to a theocracy. Like Carson, I believe The Constitution is the law of the land, That said, it's informed by the moral compass of the Judeo-Christian principles of Western Society.
My question continues to be, on what did dbhaling base the assertion of Ben Carson wanting a theocracy (original post)?
on the same question? I have been doing it; I hope
it's not against the rules.
I don't believe Ethan Allen was a Christian. He fought in the Revolution. He also wrote
Reason the Only Oracle of Man. It is a good
book, but it doesn't have chapter headings. As I
recall, the copy I read didn't have an index,
either.
religious theocracy"; several times I tried, and the
machine wouldn't show it to me. I saw "Bad Re-
quest" in the upper left-hand corner. I get pretty
sick of this Internet.
The ones who are truly considering enslaving us would be the ones who wish to totally disarm us (like in Great Britain and Australia) and it seems that at least one Democratic candidate has already suggested that possibility.
I'm an Agnostic, yet I still can't seem to see why so many people are afraid of leaders who wish to openly follow their religious beliefs.
Jan
That circle is impossible to square with those who want to jettison Judeo-Christian principles from the founding of this country.
Again, this is getting away from your original assertion that Dr. Carson wants a theocracy. Can you provide a single example of him advocating for this?
What part of "endowed by their Creator" is problematic? The Founding Fathers seemed to think it quite important.
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