Ben Carson is for a religious theocracy

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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Ben Carson is not for freedom, he is for enslaving people and he is not intellectually honest since he thinks "our founders were Christians."


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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope - you did not read carefully. I absolutely support Locke who is not part of the Scottish Enlightenment. I reject Hume and his followers because Hume rejects causation and induction.

    Your a little weak on your philosophy, Paine, Jefferson and the founding fathers were all followers of Locke, but they were not followers of Hume and the Scottish Enlightenment.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought he was weak in yesterday's debate. He stumbled and mumbled. I am flummoxed why his numbers are so high.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said. I find it disappointing that some choose to argue that the Founders were not Christian men, when they most definitively were. And then they get so hung up on it that then they overlook the majesty and brilliance of those men in their conception of the Constitution. Moreso because instead of enshrining what they believed, they left that choice up to every single individual to make and enshrined protections of those very choices as the number one protected right of man. If Christians were such religious zealots bent on world domination through coercion, would they not have taken this singular opportunity to ensconce those very beliefs in the fabric of this nation's inception?

    Yep, I just have to shake my head at the intolerance of some of the people here.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The 10 Commandments are not all "common sense" rules. See George Carlin's classic routine reducing them to two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE8oo...

    If you want common-sense guidance to ethical values, check out Rand's list of 7 virtues, http://wiki.objectivismonline.net/Vir.... Compare these to the traditional seven deadly sins. Significantly, pride occurs on both lists, though differently defined.

    Ultimately there is the one golden rule variously stated: Treat others as you want to be treated; do unto others as you want done unto you; don't do to others what you don't want done to you; and the clearest formulation, Galt's Oath -- "I swear by my life and my love of it that I shall never live for the sake of another [man] nor ask another to live for mine."

    Interactions among individuals are thus by mutual consent for mutual benefit. No one may initiate force or fraud against another. Religion is fraud. Political power is force. Measure your candidates accordingly.
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    Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You just keep telling yourself that. And when you die and you find that your intellect survives, maybe stop and think for just a moment that maybe you told yourself those things because you wanted to believe them, but not because they were true.
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    Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You, too, need to bury your hatchet. You hate people who aren't atheists like yourself. You can't tolerate that anyone might think - let alone know - that there is more out there.

    You don't have to agree with Dr. Carson. You don't have to agree with me. But you could make an effort to disagree politely. Tolerance starts with tolerance.

    I'm also noticing that your posts mysteriously are all winding up with an extra thumbs up, even though no one has even responded to many of them. So tell me, who is upvoting your posts?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Speaking of personal attacks, I knew you'd show up ewv. And I never said db didn't use his brain, I said that this post was an example of not using one's brain because as I pointed out, db makes two outrageous statements in defaming Dr. Carson that he can not defend.

    Yes, you like to think of yourself as a "pure" Objectivist and that you openly condemn anything and everything else without toleration. That's your decision. My comment was a response specifically to lrshultis. You aren't invited to comment on why I choose to do things. You claim to own your life, so do I. If you want me to have any respect for you owning your opinions, you'd better demonstrate that that goes both ways.
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  • Posted by FoundingFathers 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Again, you make an assertion without facts to support it. I'm not sure how you square the language the Founding Fathers themselves included in the DOI: "endowed by their Creator". Their writings on this matter are voluminous.

    I'm somewhat baffled by the denial of the undeniable. The founders has NO intention of the church driving America, but they assert that they were not guided by their faith is contradicted by overwhelming evidence to the contrary. No serious scholar can deny it.

    But again, we've gone beyond the scope of your initial assertion about Carson. But there, too, he (Carson) has stated emphatically that The Constitution should be the law of the land.
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    Posted by FoundingFathers 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To be clear, I'm not for a President Carson... Cruz is the better choice.

    My challenge is to the assertion of theocracy. There doesn't seem to be anything in his history to call into question his devotion to The Constitution (far cry from O, Clintons, or any liberal for that matter).

    He also seems to be sincere in his Christian faith, which is another reason to challenge the theocracy assertion. Christianity is antithetical to tyranny. Christianity is about willingly coming to God, not being forced to convert or die.

    Again, this discussion isn't about tenants of any faith, it's about an assertion of Carson/theocracy that has not been supported by facts.
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  • Posted by FoundingFathers 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you're relegating Galileo, Copernicus, Newton, Einstein,.. to the JV science squad???

    Ayn Rand was a brilliant philosopher, but she didn't walk on water. Her writings do not trump those of Locke, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Einstein, and countless others.

    You can be a devotee of Rand and still be able to recognize that the Founding Fathers believed our natural rights came from our Creator... that what they themselves wrote. I'm not sure how quoting Rand refutes "endowed by their Creator" inclusion in the seminal founding document.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Point back.
    Good way to put it. Accomplishments cannot come from something that does not exist.
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  • Posted by FoundingFathers 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not promoting religion. The history of our founding is what it is. It may be an inconvenient when it collides with your philosophy, but I didn't invent "Endowed by their Creator"...
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    Posted by FoundingFathers 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To paraphrase Reagan, it's not that you're wrong, it's that you know so much that just isn't so.

    There's a profound difference between "the church" with the pilgrims/colonists were renouncing and Judeo-Christian morality. You seem to be throwing everything you can think of against the wall and hoping something will stick.

    There's simply no getting around the fact that the Founding Father were deeply religious men, and it was their belief that our natural rights come from our Creator that guided in the founding principles. Belief in our Creator and reason are not mutually exclusive. Again, one need look no further than their assertion of where our natural rights derive.

    This may differ from your philosophy, but simply wanting an apple to be an orange doesn't make it so... A is A.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I figured he would be one of those but-heads. IE; "i'm pro gun, BUT...". As I said in another comment, "when you have faith, anything is possible." And now we know how his faith is going to work,
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    Posted by Bethesda-gal 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well that's quite an anti-Carson screed. So it sounds like you believe there are no boundaries reasonable to establish regarding abortion procedures or funding ? You are a Dr Gosnell supporter ?
    I don't recall hearing Ben Carson mention his religious position even once in the debate last night.
    I'm still deciding on which candidate is my first choice, but Ben Carson and his religiously grounded morality certainly is not my last choice.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You have to read your own posts before you start calling people "arrogant prig". And you just made my point. I really don't care what you do or do not believe. Rand was an atheist. She died. To you that should be the end of discussion. But you continue as if you have your own doubts and can't stand the possibility of being wrong. What arrogance.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is just as rational an argument as your reference to a time when we had prayer in school. Hint: It is not a rational argument.
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  • Posted by gaiagal 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wasn't aware you were representing anyone other than yourself (as you indicate in your first sentence) so I can only "reckon" you are.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and now he is moot on his earlier stance of gun control. He is all over the map.AS President, he would be a wild card. I do not trust that he would not raise taxes and take away more freedoms. Also he is green with no experience managing large groups of people.
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