Instead of a wall, we should allow free access across the border with work cards so they can work here. BUT, that doesnt get citizenship and gets NO welfare and social benefits, and does NOT get minimum wage protection or automatic anchor baby status for their children. Lets see how many come across then...

well, I had thought "no terrorists allowed" and maybe "only
producers allowed" -- no negative-value types!!! -- j
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;) Yes.

Or, others out...'cause building a Wall at the beach is going be a 'bitch'.

Building a wall on the Mexican border is a fool's errand. It is a huge Crony project that can never accomplish the advertised and ballyhooed intent.

To think that our government has the operational expertise to build and efficiently manage (without massive waste, corruption, cost overruns, and destruction of property rights) is, at best, irrational. One might as well agree with the insanity that the fedgov has a successful track record on other major projects it has undertaken.

'Wall believers' are being played in the name of protection. They should remember how these ideas historically manifest themselves in reality.

What do you mean they are not allowed to do their job? The arrest crossers daily.

You have described pretty much the current policy regarding those caught coming across the border without permission. They are arrested and either returned immediately or, in some cases, charged with a misdemeanor, sentenced to a short term of imprisonment (like a matter of a few days) and then sent back. It is, as you suggest, enormously expensive and inefficient. It does not seem to deter any significant number of crossers.

Would you rather guard a 2,000 mile border that was wide open, or a 2,000 mile border with a wall? Prisons have plenty of guards, but they also,have walls. Forts might be stuffed to the brim with soldiers with guns, but they always had walls. What did the pioneers do when the Indians attacked? They circled the wagons to create........wait for it......walls!

Israel built a wall to cut down on Palestinian terrorism and it has been very effective.

Indonesia is considering using crocodiles to guard their prisons arguing "They can't be bribed." How about a moat filled with hungry crocodiles along the US-Mexico border? At the very least it would provide the drug runners and coyotes with some new and difficult challenges. The prospect of being eaten alive by a mindless beast should provide a degree of discouragement. And now the latest word is that they may add piranhas and tigers. Hmm, is this a form of animal cruelty?

In addition a wall helps with immigration and limits migration. There is a difference.

absolutely, no muslims allowed!

Not arguing but we have a border patrol now that I understand has not been allowed to do their job. Would we need a wall if they could do their job??

The US has 12,000 miles of coastline. Good luck keeping us in.

Jan

I kind of agree with you. And just think of the cost savings to the taxpayers. Save on the construction and entitlement spending.

After the attack France got to work sealing their borders. But not just for keeping people out, their main objective was to keep people in. Of course they were trying to contain the terrorists but it still shows that a sealed border works both ways.

Big difference.
The Berlin wall existed to repress freedom. An American wall would exist to maintain freedom. A wall won't stop all the evils from entering, but it would slow them down. That, and using a military force, be it national guard, or paramilitary specially trained border guards, would keep the majority of illegals out. And.. they would need to be tough. The illegals need to know that resistance means death. Back across the border they go, there and then.

If all entitlements were restricted to native born and naturalized citizens, a wall would not matter.

It would, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't build a wall.

It is a question to hear people's thoughts and to hold a discussion. Someone may learn something. :)

We do not have a government that I would really want to trust with a wall.

That is only the difference in which way the guns are facing. When the guns turn, it's too late to be concerned.

The simple answer is the 'Berlin Wall' was designed and built to keep German citizens apart.

This was because when WWII ended the agreement was to divide Germany; the west would 'watch' over Western Germany [& East Berlin] while Russia watched over Eastern Germany [& West Berlin]. This idea deteriorated to where Russia turned Eastern Germany from Fascism [what it was during the war] to straight up Communism while the West was a Democratic Republic [Free] the People of the East were moving to the West to be free. To stop this Russia placed military along the border, but in Berlin it wasn’t working because Building were half on the Eastern side and half on the Western side allowing people to climb through SO A WALL WAS BUILT, building closed down on the Western side to stop German’s from moving freely from GERMANY to GERMANY.

Side note: notice how given a choice people chose the Democratic Republic over Communism.

Now the Great Wall of China was built to keep other nations out in order to protect the people from crime, assault, murder as well to keep a stable government [which mostly worked until 1966 when Communism fully took over under Mao].

The Walls built in Saudi Arabia, Norway and others are used for the same reason only in Saudi Arabia its used much like in Berlin; to keep Christian’s and Sunni muslim’s out of a Shia muslim land territory.

So a Border Fence between Mexico and the several border nations of the Republic of the United States is much like the Famous Great Wall of China and the Fence’s built along European nations to keep foreigners from coming in without being medically cleared [protecting the people against disease or infestation] as well as checking to ensure criminals do not get in to harm the people of the Nation they protect.
As we can see, France is hurting because they did not do this, Sweden is in Revolt because of a 1400% increase of assault’s [rape’s, stabbing, beatings] of Swedish people from muslim refugees as is Hungary and Germany.

In the United States we have multiple cases of assault, rape, murder and the weakening of the economy from a lack of a Fence.

So in closing; EVERY NATION OR FEDERATION [Federal Government] HAS A DUTY TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS AND SOCIETY FOR THE GOOD OF ALL ITS PEOPLE.

And you would not feel like a prisoner? Maybe not until the guns turn.

A wall is a wall. What you have described is only the difference in which way the guns are pointed.

A wall on our southern border is a government solution to a government created "problem". And it will mean we have already lost.