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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that it is a stop-gap measure and that entitlements are the true key. I'm just pointing out that actually a lot less money than people think has actually been spent on the wall. Most has never been spent, but in fact diverted to other projects. Railing about the money wasted on the wall is a diversion.

    That being said, I support the completion of the wall, simply because it could and would stem the tide until the other could be worked out. It wouldn't keep all of them out, but if it were manned, it would slow the influx to a mere trickle.

    I am good friends with a Border Patrol agent. His first stint was in El Paso, TX and his second was Shelby, Montana. He's hugely frustrated by the Administration because they won't let the Border Patrol do their jobs - with or without a wall.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    First I am not saying we should or should not build a fence/wall but there are many unanswered questions.

    Could we afford the door to our house if it cost, $10,000, $20,000, $100,000? Does a locked door stop all intruders? Would they find another way in if they really wanted in?

    Since Congress already allocated funds for a wall, I may argue that the fence has already cost us allot of money and it has yet to begin. How much more will we spend for something that likely will not solve the problem?
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And your point is? That difference is significant. On protests while the other imprisons. To imply there is no difference or argue as such would be laugh more than sophistry.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How much is your safety and security worth?

    And I would point out that the construction of the wall on the Southern Border has been held up by first the Democratically-controlled Congress (who wouldn't give them the funds) under Bush and now a President who won't authorize the work to continue. I wouldn't argue that the thing has been too expensive because it hasn't even really been completed yet!
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "We're not at war with Mexico"

    I'm not so sure about that.

    Who runs Mexico? The drug lords and the oil barons - not the people.
    Who is encouraging their people to break the laws of the US by going there illegally? The Mexican government.
    And who is further encouraging this lawless behavior? Our very own President of the United States.
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  • Posted by jhagen 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Until that same government takes away the 'free money' to all those who cross the border, people will find a way to go through or around any wall.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And you are making assumptions. I still see no reason to be a jerk about it. But that is your choice. You're no longer worth my time. Good day.
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  • Posted by roneida 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure that you have been anointed moderator and I feel free to comment as long as I am not profane. You are entitled to your opinions and so am I. Your question was not "simple", it was comparing East Germany to the US and was obviously biased against the US.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I find little reason for you to be so rude. This was a simple question to open a discussion and nothing more. If you can't be a productive member of a discussion please don't comment at all.
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    Posted by roneida 9 years, 5 months ago
    to Ed Weaver.... what a silly, disingenuous question. Obviously by being so niaeve you show that you are too young to remember East Germany.

    They soviets shot their own citizens trying to escape. Their country was hell. If we built a wall on our border to keep illegals out, do you believe Mexico would execute their people leaving??? Give up on your silly, girlish moral relativism...there is no comparison between the communists of East Germany and the USA
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 5 months ago
    The difference is that, in Germany, the wall was to keep skilled workers from leaving the country.
    Our wall is to prevent unskilled workers from entering.
    Simple?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Work is not a benefit. Benefits are provided by taxpayers through government, They bring things like a series of Great Depressions and value less retirement funds. Schools? Ha ha ha ...the level of value outside the hard sciences is so low I would recommend the Zappa solution in their place. If you want an education go to the library - read a book. If you want to get laid go to university or any Democrat function. I added that last part from personal experience. Medical? Welll well well we are seeing that disaster up close and personal aren't we...Students... they would do well and better if issued a McGuffeys Readers.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That particular time was followed by a President who personally instituted Socialism and it's been political ways down hill ever since.Changes made by a single judge have a way of being both devastating and non-permanent. Suits people who are moving left on purpose just fine. Changes made by Constitutional Amendment take more effort and take longer but are more permanent. Old sheet of music. It's not rap a second and just as meaningless.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I mean all benefits. I want the country that my grandparents came to in the first decade of the twentieth century. The only thing that was given to them was the right to earn a living.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Migrate with it's companion words immigration and emigrate may be legal or illegal, permanent or temporary, extra or intra territorial. So a farm worker such as combine operator or lettuce picker migrating in the agricultural states of the US is one kind migrating from the lack of work parts of Mexico to the previously lack of workers at least at certain levels and for certain slave labor businesses both apply. Emigrate means to leave immigrate to arrive and usually for purposes of permanency. at least to some degree. One of my local friends emigrated from Irkutsk Russia, through France, to USA and now to Mexico. Permanency was intended int he USA but the thriving and growing reminders of a Soviet style police state is pushing many of them elsewhere. Never mind the current extent of that situation. They see it as a warning sign and have no wish to repeat the experience of a socialist style government. kind of makes you think doesn't it. It should. You are getting ready to vote for one of two candidates both of whom belong that trend.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    only if the kept the pollution. Mexico city is a dump when it comes to breathing. kinda like NYC and LA.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For machine guns you apply to the Attorney General's Office. They deliver! Damn shame that POS former AG isn't behind bars.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sweden the bastion of non-involved peaceniks and pacificism....forgot when you are weak the whole world sees you as an easy target. Unlike Switzerland where every soldier keep his/her rifle at home or Israel where every citizen except the mega fundamentalists keep their weapon 'packing and ready' status'

    But as for the fence with Mexico it's getting to be less and less needed. Lack of work up north doing that and the migrant pattern is now to the south according to our own customs and immigration people. The sole remaining problem are very poor Mexicans mainly from the southeastern end of the country who do not understand the dangers of an illegal crossing starting with the terrain and climate and continuing through the coyote guides. Nor do they speak any English and many not much spanish using Nahuatl indian dialect. If there were jobs channeling them into a bracero situation would help immensely as long as the employers were monitored closely. the next big help would be lower prices on passports and visas IF there were jobs. That is the sole indicator I look at that explodes the myth of ObaNOmics big recovery. If it were true the migrant pattern would be to the north. Next thing to help other than bracero, green card, and immigration instead of using the slots for ISIS would be language training. One week in a Berlitz style school. It's not rocket science and it assimilates automatically insteads of divides and keeps them down worse than slave chains.

    That's it from my end....and oh yes...US gets the monkey off it's back. No monkey no cartels. I hold no hope for that.
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  • Posted by $ Sesabatka 9 years, 5 months ago
    I was attempting to differentiate between immigration which to me implies legal movement between counties and migration which is more of movement disregarding "legal/man made" lines. Sorry I didn't clarify better that I was talking about groups rather than an indivudual.
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are essentially correct. You are, first, an emigrant (leaving) migrating (traveling) and, finally, becoming an immigrant (coming in). The example of a migrant laborer is very personal. My parents performed the same work, traveling from ETx to CO to AZ to CA. They were at the top of the food chain, so to speak, in that they worked on the packing sheds packing tomatoes, peaches, pears, cantaloupes and honeydews. Until I started the 6th grade, I would always start school in CA and return to TX to finish the year. In time, I followed the same pattern, summers in CA, working where I could. Some of the best years of my life. I haven't done that work in 45 years but I still remember the people and places.
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  • Posted by nvrnvrlnd 9 years, 5 months ago
    The Mexicans don't shoot to kill, heck, they don't shoot. It's hard to build a wall on the border and since it's a navigable river, The Army Corps of Engineers would have to approve it and that's not likely to happen.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I live within a short drive of The First Cav; they are quite a capable force. We're not at war with Mexico, and the same security issues exist on all our borders. A project to build a wall on one border, after a failed 'fence', screams cronyist corruption. It has nothing to do with security, immigration, or national defense.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I keep hoping that we can get away from that ... I heard of
    individualism when I was a kid and fell in love with it!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    still putting words in people's mouths? I'd rather hear you emulate JohnPE1 and speak for yourself.Actually he has a very good point. If you are moving to get away from you don't bring from with you except those with a California mentality. They did a rare old job of Californicating Oregon. But then that mentality is something I would leave behind along with that of New Amsterdam.

    noun
    noun: tribalism

    the state or fact of being organized in a tribe or tribes.
    derogatory
    the behavior and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group.
    "a society motivated by cultural tribalism"
    synonyms: sectarianism, chauvinism; esprit de corps
    "the latest waves of violence were blamed on tribalism"
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