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  • Posted by hattrup 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mexico/US border and territory History is more like:
    Native American nations -> all Spanish -> Mexican independence battles and some US territory claims and grabs during Mexico/Spanish fighting.

    The US ended up with large Spanish claims that look very similar to the East/West Germany split - but about a 100 years earlier.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    maybe by putting up a good wall and having helicopters flying over it will keep out the likes of what happened in france.
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    Posted by walkabout 9 years, 5 months ago
    The difference is -- to address your question -- the Berlin wall was built to keep the "citizens" of East Germany "in." A wall along the US/Mexico border is to keep non-citizens w/o proper, positive reason for being here, "out."
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 5 months ago
    these invasions amount to a process of "welcoming" intruders
    who are completely capable of ruining your country.

    shouldn't we be more selective in our admission of
    new members to the team??? -- j
    .
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  • Posted by $ Vegasrenie 9 years, 5 months ago
    Germany was two halves of one country, the two countries being created at the end of World War II. The United States and Mexico are two separate countries. I don't understand why that's a question.
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    Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 5 months ago
    The Berlin Wall was a prison wall. Its purpose: to keep people in. The residents of East Berlin were not free residents at all, but inmates.

    The proposed border fence would be a fortress wall. Its purpose: to keep would-be burglars and robbers out. You might as well ask why the Gulch had its own defense, such as it was (chiefly concealment), and why John Galt qualified his statement about "opening the gates" with the phrase "all who deserve to enter." Deserve. That's the key verb.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't lock them but I do now. But if those doors were too costly I would need to find another way of keeping people out. Would a wall be effective and also cost effective is a question to be answered prior to building. And what about the other borders? Not looking to argue. Looking for answers.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good point. I have been in favor of a wall since 9/11. I remember the announcement that day that President Bush had ordered the borders closed. I thought how is that possible?
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
    It would be more analogous if for some reason half of Mexico City were a US territory, separated by a wall from the rest of Mexico.
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  • Posted by Itheliving 9 years, 5 months ago
    Do you have a door at your residence? Do you close and lock it and if so why?
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. I believe arresting and instantly shipping them back along with no handouts would do more to stop the flow of people. Even if it was manned I doubt if it would stop people. Maybe just slow them down. When we consider the tunnels that were dug to get the drug guy out of a Mexican prison, I simply don't see how a wall works with any cost effectiveness at all. Of course money is not important to our government.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Denying Government handouts to illegals and automatic Citizenship would stop more people than a wall. I have been concerned that a terrorist could enter the country easily but then I wonder why they haven't already.
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  • Posted by broskjold22 9 years, 5 months ago
    The difference is that Mexico will not become like the US in the way that East Germany was expected to be like the Capitalistic West. Rather, the US would become more like Mexico.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm simply not sure. I've spent much time thinking about a wall and I wonder how good it would be even if it was erected. Would it stop people from getting in? Would we be able to pay for the cost by keeping people out? Or would it be just like throwing money at (non-existing) global warming. A complete and total waste. Seems to me it may be another crony capitalist scheme to construct a wall that likely would have no affect. I'm interested to hear people thoughts.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 5 months ago
    My first thought was that we are protecting an existing border and the Berlin wall was an arbitrary political border that divided Germany and Berlin after WWII. Then I thought that East Berlin was ruled by a bunch of power hungry Communists hell bent on holding power at all costs. I guess we have more in common than I originally thought.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago
    Ahhhh the question is wanting an answer. One was solid concrete, re-bar, barbwire. the other is a wall only near major crossing points or insight of passers by.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought of that but it likely did both. I still wonder if there is really that much different. Simply trying to open a discussion. :)
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Once upon a time when the time was ripe an entrepreneur in Texas contacted a college friend in Berlin, Germany and offered to buy cases of chips from the original Berlin Wall. The German friend called his friends and they invested in some sledge hammers. At the time the East German guards had been withdrawn. They started banging away and loaded truck after truck shipping the chips with provenance and photos where they were sold much as pet rocks ot the somewhat gullible public.

    A few others passed by and thinking it a fun idea chipped in the chip making business until an entire prefab concrete section fell over. The only concern was the possibility of land mines. There weren't any left at that point.

    Bascally it was a n export import souvenir business. By then more sections were broken up and toppled. By then our entrepreneurial University students come to think of it had made enough to pay tuition through graduation. We did not take down the wall nor did Mr. Gorbachov. Kennedy said Ich bin ein Berliner if I have it correctly. Reagan said " Take down this wall." We didn't extend very far.

    Well.. urban myth of reality. Who knows. The photos could have been faked. Maybe.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 5 months ago
    Whether it is to keep people in or to keep them out of course. I doubt we'd have been concerned about the wall if it was so that they could control who immigrated to their country.
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