Do we want to defeat ISIS?

Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 5 months ago to Culture
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winning. . do we, as a nation, want to win this "war?" -- j
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 5 months ago
    The war we must win is against the domestic (and foreign) enemy in DC.
    ISIS can't do anything to America unless the fedgov lets them.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cattle don't know political boundaries. Cattle don't have religion. Cattle don't have possessions and they live in the moment. Cattle have nothing to kill or die for.
    Kinda like John Lennon's song, "Imagine."
    But it's such a nice song, that anthem of the delusional left.
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  • Posted by Solver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "We" is one of the most overused and non-objective words in the English language. A utopian tool of politicians, and popes.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago
    It depends on who "We" are.
    The Washington elites? No.
    Most Democrats? No
    Joe Lunchbucket? Yes
    Most Republicans? Yes
    Most Gulchers? Yes
    Most old fogies? Yes.
    I didn't take a survey, or a poll. Just based on emails and conversations that are completely unscientific. If ISIS and its brethren are not soundly defeated be prepared for the start of the next Dark Ages for our grandchildren and their children.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
    Mean old dino does not want to win a war against ISIS.
    I only want the pure evil that ISIS wiped clean from the face of the earth.
    See a lunatic wearing black? Kill it.
    I say "it" because I no longer consider one of those murdering, raping and torturing laughing savages to be human beings.
    Go medieval all over medieval.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, normally, when someone declares war on you, it probably isn't smart to ignore them and hope they'll just go away. We did that with Al Qaeda, and look where it got us!
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 5 months ago
    of course WE want to defeat isis but 0 wants them to take over the world. I was thinking; will some reporter at the briefing each day ask if this fellow knows the meaning of the word "terrorism" and where it should be applied. And them reference what took place in Paris France. Has any one from the 0 administration said it WAS a terrorist attack?
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    that hurts, man;;; I love Rush. . "our side" intends to stop the war
    as fast as possible, by preventing the next death -- and the way
    that it's done is a constant grotesque invention::: doing the bad
    to prevent the bad. . stop them through wielding weapons better
    than they do. . since, apparently, deterrence does not work.

    I do not think that this is a battle of religions. . it's a battle of
    techniques. . they -- like the progressives, by the way -- think
    that the ends justify the means. . we think that the ends
    are the means. . hand out freedom like the most glorious
    party favor, here in this grand earth fiesta, and hope that
    its value is appreciated enough to quell the violence.

    it should be simple, don't you think? -- j
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry. I'm not singling out you. Violent extremists' weapon is to murder people in a high-profile way to goad people who they could never defeat in a traditional battle into over-reactiong and treating them like an army in a great battle of religions. Like most things they say, this claim is not true. They'd be lucky to kill as many people as people kill for any other motive for murder. Some times I read these article and it almost feels like ISIS and Limabaugh worked together and said, "we both want the same thing. Let's work togther." That did not happen, but my point is their bogus narratives are so similar it feels like they're peas on a pod.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's called 'Will.' The Nazi's used the concept to the hilt even making a movie Triumph of Will. There are two kinds. One the torch lite massed parades of thousands both troops and massed civilians all acting as one to the sound of one voice. It was an out growth of the plato, hegel, kant and Nietsche philosophy setting aside reason, especially individual reason, You see the exact same thing every four years at the conclusions of each day in a Republic and AND a Democratic Convention. The ultimate foot ball rally for war. Alexander Nevsky and Battleship Potemkin by Sergei Eisenstein and Triumph of Will by Leni Riefenstahl are the early 20th century examples and depict the same 'mass hysteria' as any Insurance Company Rally of the late 1900's

    The second kind is a national will no longer found in the USA - a hard belief in the superiority of the Constitution and the democratically and freely elected representative form of government The Republic and this kind came about because of the collective use of individual reason. We don't have the second any more We do have the every four years natinal charade but then we don't have freely and democratically elected open elections anymore where the vote does count. Just momentary mass hysteria. pitting one branch of socialism against another no matter they are interchangeable mass manufactured parts. themselves of little moment.

    The kind we are missing is the Will To Win after years of a lack of national leadership and a lack of faith or reason in the offerings of the party system neither it's left wing nor it's right wing.

    One can watch the closing of a convention and easily, mentally,transpose the figures of those early Eisenstein and Reifenstahl movies over Democrats and Republicans alike.

    What is left is not conviction of reason nor triumph of will just emptiness and the true heroes are those sweeping up the leavings in a cold, dark, empty auditorium. The only honest part of these conventions. Sweeping up the leavings.

    Something like the feeling in a stomach that has just vomited an excess of rubber chicken dinners.

    A re-enactment of a long series of meaningless conventions and even more meaningless leaders.

    Not the State of Mind needed to successfully prosecute a war, a football game or a debate.

    Just Carville and and Lakoff grinning from the the wings Boehner and Reid driving silently back to the chambers of congress and dissolve to a cartoon of that picture ....the caption. P.T Barnum is alive and well we fooled them one more time.

    The auditorium now almost cleaned holds the odor of hopelessness - that is your state of mind. One More War. One more step in a dark tunnel which will never show a light much less an end. The state of mind is 'emptiness.' The troops in Vietnam had the proper frame of mind as they geared up mentally 'Don't mean nothing. Don't mean a thing. It's just a thing.'

    Our legacy to the nation with the contempt we felt for the nation...and that is your state of mind today as it searches for non-existence. It's the Triumph of Despair. Hard to ruck up and win wars whose outcome 'don't mean a thing.'
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 5 months ago
    We have a credible enemy out there. ISIS is only part of it. Do we want to win this war? We have to. Can we? Yes. Will we? I don't know.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 5 months ago
    No. Fearful people are easier to control. That's why we're letting them in.

    We're just cattle.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago
    JohnPE going back to the original question one would have to define 'we.' We as in Obama standing alone with using the plural form of describing his royal status as in etat ce'st moi? Or 'we' the government's current executive branch? The whole government? The State Department standing alone? Never mind the general public and the preponderance of the majority of citizens? Perhaps the media is the 'we?' On the other hand it could be the 'we' who are the collective Chamberlains of our times? The same 'we' that our against nuclear because it can reach out and touch you anywhere in the world? The 'Swedish' variety 'we'?

    So many choices so little information...so little time.

    Or maybe we who now stand on the sidelines watching those who committed. us to do battle in the past and then turned against those of us you sent to those areas. Those of us committed now or in the past who look back to our own country and say "you got what you voted for what you asked for? Deal with it. Live with it or - die with it. The chickens are returning home ready to roost - in your neighborhood? You are now standing on the front lines. It's what you asked for - is it not?" Watch that flock scatter squawking as they run." No where to run the consequences of your actions are 'here.'

    I think pop some corn top off the beverage of choice and watch the extended version of National Charade presents street theater at it's most ludicrous.

    Good post!!!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have, to be honest, never read nor heard it framed or reframed in quite that fashion before. pluralism = collectivism but those folks usually are anti-weapons The rest describe the RINO mentality - deliberately is a new one and no clue as to it's meaning could be neo-feudalism, ne?-aristocracy or half way between constitutionalism and anarchy. This one is hard to pin down as it keeps changing .....I might ask where do you view yourself on the vertical or horizontal descriptive spread of systems? What do you view as 'the center in both up down and left right? How do you define war? Certainly not in the terms of a soldier I think a bit more political than any combatant would choose.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I may well be a fool, but I fear my own government, my police, but most of all the ignorance of my own US brethren a great deal more than I do Muslims, particularly the scare-mongered ones you imagine sneaking up on 'my butt' as you say. And thank you for worrying about my butt, but I've taken care of it for a long, long time in ways and places I doubt you have much real life experience with. ISIS wouldn't even exist had we stayed out of the affairs of Iraq and the Muslim Spring and not been in the business of supplying arms and money, even air support, to Islamic radicals. Hell, we even supplied money, arms, and training to UBL to start him on his infamous life's mission.

    I can still remember a time and a lot of personal experiences 'fighting to defend democracy and the American way' in a place half way around the world and the scaremongers during that time that warned what would happen to the US if we just let them solve their own problems. .

    I often wonder how much of all this Islamic fear and hate since 9/11, is religious driven phobia vs. any actual real danger. The US police (Christians, all of them) are real close to 1,200 to 1,300 killed so far this year, which by the numbers I've seen mean they've shot another 2,500 to 4,000 and shot at and missed many more than that, while their deaths continue the historic decline of the last 30 years, they just murdered a 5 or 6 yr old boy with 6 shots to his body and head and wounded another child with a flash/bang, and the number of witnessed and videoed beatings is at an all time high. We no longer have a 4th Amendment protection, and our 5th and 6th protections are a joke, let alone the attacks on the 1st and 2nd, and the 10th is totally ignored. The government has been caught out in so many atrocious lies that it makes one wonder if it's even possible to dream of an honest open government any more. I'm a veteran that still needs the VA to continue my life from the damage incurred some 46 yrs ago, and it very much appears that is threatened now.

    Yeah, there's a lot of stuff to be aware of and even nervous about in this life, but I guarantee you, it's not from some uneducated religious fanatic from halfway around the world anymore than it was a little, rice fed Vietnamese kid. There's some 325,000,000 people in this country with somewhere around 150,000,000 registered guns and probably 300,000,000 unregistered guns. I seriously question your commitment, if any, to liberty and freedom and the rights of the individual, if you really buy off on all the nonsense the media and our 'honest, trustworthy' government officials spout. There are enough real, visible things going on right next door to you and me and on our streets to be worried about and really scared of. When that right fist is waiving around in the air in front of your face, grab your pockets because that left hand is up to something.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I really appreciate your calling me a criminal or a criminal supporter.
    Thank You, Charles;;; I really do like that. . we might be able
    to examine this further if you would explain the crime(s). -- john
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    war is a state of mind, first, and actions -- killing people and
    breaking things -- next. . if we can't get to the state of mind,
    we cannot win the war. . they started it, just as the rapist
    on campus did, and they must be stopped before
    they rape your sister. . or mother. -- j
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    please first note that I have voted you up, for starters.

    you are a fool if you think that these people can be kept
    out of our homeland by sitting and waiting. . they are
    on the way here, and france is but a stepping stone.

    yes, they have attacked the continental u.s. -- not just
    the world trade center twice, but also boston and Fort Hood
    and a recruiting center or two -- they are here and sneaking up
    on your butt right now, sir. . mark my words. -- j
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