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Ayn Rand versus conservatives

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
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Since so much of Galt's Gulch Online content has become conservative headline aggregation posting and commentary over the last several months, let's discuss what Ayn Rand thought of conservatives and conservativism. She put forth quite a bit of commentary on the subject, particularly after Atlas Shrugged came out.

To put it bluntly, she considered conservatives as big a danger to this country as she did liberals/progressives, considering both leading the country down a path towards statism, socialism, anti-capitalism, and most importantly-anti-freedom. Following is just one quote, there are a number:

“Conservatives”

Objectivists are not “conservatives.” We are radicals for capitalism; we are fighting for that philosophical base which capitalism did not have and without which it was doomed to perish . . .

Politics is based on three other philosophical disciplines: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics—on a theory of man’s nature and of man’s relationship to existence. It is only on such a base that one can formulate a consistent political theory and achieve it in practice. When, however, men attempt to rush into politics without such a base, the result is that embarrassing conglomeration of impotence, futility, inconsistency and superficiality which is loosely designated today as “conservatism.” . . .

Today’s culture is dominated by the philosophy of mysticism (irrationalism)—altruism—collectivism, the base from which only statism can be derived; the statists (of any brand: communist, fascist or welfare) are merely cashing in on it—while the “conservatives” are scurrying to ride on the enemy’s premises and, somehow, to achieve political freedom by stealth. It can’t be done.

The Objectivist Newsletter

“Choose Your Issues,”
The Objectivist Newsletter, Jan, 1962, 1

So What Do You Think Conservatives


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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I write sci-fi. I'm constantly thinking what-if. I do have faith. I find the endless possibilities fascinating.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 5 months ago
    Objectivists may not be "conservatives" as the word was used in 1962, but I submit that most of them are as it's used now, largely because the "social conservative agenda" (mostly meaning the anti-gay and pro-life views, not specifically religion) has lost so irreversibly that most people calling themselves "conservative" have now abandoned it. I include the Conservative Parties of Britain, Canada, and Australia. In effect, conservative now means libertarian. And using the word conservative makes us seem much more mainstream.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    james; I think Heinlein said it best (paraphrased):
    "Most people can't think, those that try mostly don't do it well, but the very few that can, they are the only ones that count."
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Everyone makes their choices and takes their chances. It's best when man is "allowed" to do so of his own volition.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    'Reason' does not mean subjectivism. He's trying to replace the content of Ayn Rand's philosophy with his subjectivist faith -- in the name of 'reason'.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dean; that's why I've come down on the side of 'radical for capitalism' (laissez faire free market) as Rand did. In the end, you're either for individual freedom or you're not.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    jsw; I don't let leftist self description determine what I call them. I call them socialist/statist/collectivist. The problem I have is that is what I also have to call self described conservatives. It makes no sense to me that we should support or respect anyone who still want to rule, whose only real performance to date has been to support to one degree or the other, restrictions of my actions, ideas, expressions, ability to defend myself, what I put into my body, etc. only claiming to be able to do it better than the other side.

    It often strikes me that there's really only two types of human; those who want others to be controlled and those that can't imagine why anyone else would have the right/authority to control them.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is called "evasion". It is dishonest. A rational person does not choose "beliefs knowing they are neither truth nor fact". There is no such thing as a "necessary fiction".
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not a case of living outside the bounds of reason - that's impossible. It's a case of being unwilling to face the facts (faking reality) that's the bigger problem.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 5 months ago
    I'm can't say I'm a conservative, but I identify with conservative ideals more than liberal hodgepodge ideals. I believe Objectivist of the 1960s are as different from today's Objectivist thinkers as Conservatives of the same periods. I don't know any Conservative that's not a capitalist. It seems like a secret to some that Conservatives come in all sizes, shape or forms. They are atheist, agnostics, theist, satanic cults and yes, like it or not, objectivist. As AJAshinoff said, no skin off my nose.

    I don't believe in fairy dust, magic incantations, ghosts or flying pigs, but as a former liberal agnostic I have gone through somewhat of a long evolution in which I logically and rationally reasoned there is a God.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you're an explorer, by definition, you're going to encounter situations that may not be exactly logical, especially when encountering other sentient beings. In that environment, thinking outside the box can mean the difference between life and death.
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  • Posted by Mitch 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said… It’s a personal belief... Objectivism and religion are not mutually exclusive.

    A few months ago, there was a science article about the possibility of life on an exoplanet. In a casual conversation I brought up with him, his remarks to me were “You don’t really believe in the possibility of life elsewhere do you?” His point of view is a religious point of view where he believes in creation and the whole store right out of the bible. He’s a good guy and I can respect his views without having to incorporate them as my own.

    Even though it’s a logical fallacy to prove a negative and we do have proof of evaluation, he still believes what he believes. You see, science is never done, it’s never settled and we should always keep an open mind. The vast majority of people on our planet believe in a higher being, which alone is a metric that needs to be included.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 5 months ago
    Ayn was (and is) advocating proper boundaries around the individual (whether it relates to reality, reason, ethics or politics).

    If "conservatism" was properly defined, wouldn't it have the same meaning?
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    blind faith...interesting choice of words, a lack of respect too.
    Why is it so egregious to believe/hope for in an afterlife? Why does it matter to anyone how the teachings of Rand fit into my moral code or anyones?

    Unless I'm pushing what I believe on you or anyone I do not understand why people get so bent each time I mention faith in any context. A moral code doesn't have to be yours or mine, its simply a measure. If a politician is willing to put his neck on the line professing his moral code then its there to be chopped off if he fails to live up to it.

    No skin off my nose.
    If anything, all of us should hope to know as much about a candidate and why he/she makes the decisions he/she does (whether we believe as they do or not). A profession of faith make knowing easier.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's impossible to "reason" about origins. No matter how you address it, you can say that everything "just happened," or you can say that there was some being or force that started everything. In either case, there is no proof for any of it. Our understanding must start with "existence exists," and leave it at that. If we choose to accept a God, or not, it's mere speculation, another term for "faith." Rather than arguing about that, we should focus on what we need to do to live well now, which I think Ayn Rand addressed better than anyone I've come across.
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  • Posted by straightlinelogic 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Living within the "bounds of Reason" may be a big problem for most of humanity, but as we're seeing, living outside those bounds is an even bigger problem.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    With Rand, it's always based upon Reason. Somehow she rejected most everything which was outside the bounds of Reason. That's a big problem for most of humanity!+
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 5 months ago
    Ayn Rand wrote some article--I don't remember
    which periodical, but I think it was in The Ayn Rand Letter--I believe, at any rate, it is reprinted in
    The Objectivist Lexicon; Ayn Rand A to Z-- in which she dealt with "conservatives" vs. "liberals". She used to always put those words
    in quotation marks.
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