Learn about the Carnegie Foundation For International Peace and their true agenda founded in 1908 , from the minutes of their meetings from G. Edward Griffiths interview with Norman Dodd. That will explain what is really happening.
So being operated in private is the only basis for classifying a religion as "disorganized?" Seems shallow to me.
I would argue all religions are organized, but the extent to which is up for discussion depending on the objective of the religion vs whether some external body has imposed limits upon it for its benefit.
Six years pass the test and the questionnaire. If any questions are answered yes you get taken to the back room.... The questions are worded like this, "Did you or have you ever voted in an election prior to this date? the main thing to take the test is $680.00 USA. So what is the money for?
a. To defray the costs of closing down Guantanamo b. 200,000 syrians times 680 dollars is 1,360,000,000 million the amount projected for . Obama's retirement home(s) and Presidential storage site. No longer using the word library that is offensive to those who can't read. But all have 18 hole courses. c. Pay for the cost of dinner dates in Paris or anywhere except Nairobi where rumor has it there may be a bunch of unpaid parking tickets involving another name but they do have prints. 3. Legal fees 4. Cost of ObamaCare premiums 5. Hillary's best offer for a pardon. 6. His accumulated unpaid green fees to date. 7. Have fun it's your turn.
You aren't wrong there but I need to look u a time line. Six years minimum to get citizenship and get officially sworn in and then they can vote if I'm correct.The test itself is five to ten minutes of memorization it's a joke. For the fun of it when one of the less than six year people asked me how laws were changed told him, 'by ignoring them.' He very politel told me that was not one of the four choices.of the four one was correct and none reflected real life. which are. direct order of the President, By order of any 'Judge, when congress holds a 'deeming' vote or by ignoring it. A, B, C, D.
Renaissance and Enlightenment are two good words to use together but since then..i see no evidence of that. some reall believe separation of church and state is a constitutional right and others believe in balanced budget with a surplus and some beleive businesses pay taxes and others believe a fish needs a bicycle....Probably learned all that in in pubic schools thinking with the little head. ,
I was not replying to the main question, I was replying to your statement and issue with religious groups getting tax favors. No tax favors if the 16th Amendment did not happen. Simply a comment, not an argument.
Wrong again. There is no freedom FROM religion stated in the constitution either. Where do you get all this? READ first the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE and open your eyes to WHERE the founders thought our liberties come from. Then, you can go back to the Constitution to learn more.
You don't like tax exemptions for religious organizations, we ALL get that. However, instead of working to eliminate all taxes (you know, by working to repeal the 16th amendment) that harm our abilities to freely innovate and conduct our lives as we would wish as was originally intended by the Constitution, you dump on religion and religious organizations. Guess you dislike religion more than you dislike taxes. Care to tell us why that would be?
If the income tax was not established there would be no issue. And IMHO the income tax was the fist step in taking full control of the people of this country. It should never have happened.
Uh, you need to go back to elementary school. Probably a private school would be best, definitely NOT a state-run school which is where you seem to have received your education.
There is NO MENTION of a separation of church and state in the United States Constitution! Your left-wing, government-run education has let down many Americans, unfortunately. It is a revision of history, not an actual history education that you received! Time to go back and see where you were duped! And, that's what all left-wingers are, a bunch of mind-numb dupes.
Besides cherry-picking the first amendment which says that government shall make no law “respecting an establishment of religion or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof", you, like many hate-religion, hate-America left-wingers, cannot even make an argument that is based in reality. This US Constitution you seem to believe in is a left-wing "laws and judgments are living and breathing" based on whims and the fads of the day. I'm sorry, I don't happen to believe this society you think you live in is any type of society that can ensure the happiness and prosperity for EVERYONE. You can live in your dream-land, but don't you dare try to impose that on the rest of us!
So, do, please, tell us all where in the Constitution this "separation" exists?
The constitution doesn't say anything about separation of church and state that's a false urban myth. It says freedom of religion and bars setting up a State Church such as England has. So where's the violation? It is over in some of the federalist anti federalist writings and started with Jefferson but it is NOT in the Constitution and commentary like this post does not have the force of law. So your comment is meaningless and worse spreads false beliefs..
However there is also nothing in the Constitution to allow special exemptions from tax laws or any other laws for religious organizations except seeking protection as a function of a Limited Liability Corporation operating a non-profit corporation etc. etc. etc.
There are and I just posted them a week or so ago 50 popular but false urban myths such as Freedom of Travel that are not in the Constitution. I make a point of calling people on it every time for that is exactly what the far left is doing and then using that as an excuse to get some tame bought and paid for judge to rule creating a one man or woman amendment system. If you are really a Constitutionalist take the time to read the damn thing....
And another new urban myth the Declaration of Independence was not forged by adding a period. No matter what some dimwit Social Sciences Professor thinks. Trouble is the dummy can't punctuate.
is that the same constitution that talks about the separation of church and state???....so you are defending the violation of the constitution by giving "organized religions" extra-constitutional rights???...you are the tyrannical dictator...you see constitutional violations as "lemons"...choose to ignore them and move on and i am forced by dictatorial law (which you support) to bend under the yoke or go to jail...
you are hopelessly contradicted...take a course in logic and reason...
First what is FNA? Second, the Koch brothers are on the right track. They sponsor dozens of academic university chairs that represent at least a libertarian, if not an objectivist perspective. I'm working with one here at FGCU. He has converted dozens of students every year. Guess we just need a few billion to sponsor a chair at every university.
why not both? Consider if there were no income tax and therefore no deductions exactly how altruistic would the average working stiff be? That runs from flipping burgers to billionaires boys club.
No need to reject just put it in it's proper place. Which isn't as a part of government. However bear in mind it would be hard to find someone to be in government whose morals, values, and standards are not affected by some form of philosophic or religious training - except for secular progressives who have neither one nor the other.
I marked you down as protest against sexism, racism and bigotry. No subterfuge though. It's right out in the open. this is not an attack but a comment since you invited same.
Sure it was called Depression, Massive unemployment made worse by government programs and engineering our entry into World War II. The ideology is called socialism coupled with fear.
a whole string of them in both partys but compared to the current crop JFK was a conservative libertarian objectivist who had memorized Ayn Rand. The slippery slope scenario has turned into a Jamaican Bob Sled Survival Scream
Sanders has no credibility. He's one thing disguised as another. End of that subject.
Carters ability consists a. of deceiving himself and b. limited carpentry skills. The kind that pulls out and tosses a nail because the point is on the wrong end for this side of the house.
Carter also made the situation worse.....in Iran and made weakness a national policy.
Classic example of how Democrats cause US casualties and deaths, lose wars, then build monuments to themselves.
He wasn't handed a raw deal he voluntarily ran for office and accepted the responsibility.
Not to mention double digit inflation.
Agree on Savak...you get one point...it's not enough to consider more left wing socialist fascism in the guise of an Independent with no discernible skills of leadership or management unless you want another bumbler like Carter.
On the other hand the right wing of the left is no great shakes either.
I don't quite agree. I just moved to FNA. As for college students the key phrase is 'if they are principled' Where would that come from on a University Campus other than one like Hillsdale and a few Professors who sneak in a blow here and there? As you said assuming intellectual honesty assumes an intellect.
note...i am anti-tax period...but until that time when the tax code is abolished, that will do...
I would argue all religions are organized, but the extent to which is up for discussion depending on the objective of the religion vs whether some external body has imposed limits upon it for its benefit.
a. To defray the costs of closing down Guantanamo
b. 200,000 syrians times 680 dollars is 1,360,000,000 million the amount projected for . Obama's retirement home(s) and Presidential storage site. No longer using the word library that is offensive to those who can't read. But all have 18 hole courses.
c. Pay for the cost of dinner dates in Paris or anywhere except Nairobi where rumor has it there may be a bunch of unpaid parking tickets involving another name but they do have prints.
3. Legal fees
4. Cost of ObamaCare premiums
5. Hillary's best offer for a pardon.
6. His accumulated unpaid green fees to date.
7. Have fun it's your turn.
Renaissance and Enlightenment are two good words to use together but since then..i see no evidence of that. some reall believe separation of church and state is a constitutional right and others believe in balanced budget with a surplus and some beleive businesses pay taxes and others believe a fish needs a bicycle....Probably learned all that in in pubic schools thinking with the little head.
,
I was not replying to the main question, I was replying to your statement and issue with religious groups getting tax favors. No tax favors if the 16th Amendment did not happen. Simply a comment, not an argument.
philosophically explain how you get a should from an ought or vice versa...
it is a fundamental question in philosophy...
You don't like tax exemptions for religious organizations, we ALL get that. However, instead of working to eliminate all taxes (you know, by working to repeal the 16th amendment) that harm our abilities to freely innovate and conduct our lives as we would wish as was originally intended by the Constitution, you dump on religion and religious organizations. Guess you dislike religion more than you dislike taxes. Care to tell us why that would be?
There is NO MENTION of a separation of church and state in the United States Constitution! Your left-wing, government-run education has let down many Americans, unfortunately. It is a revision of history, not an actual history education that you received! Time to go back and see where you were duped! And, that's what all left-wingers are, a bunch of mind-numb dupes.
Besides cherry-picking the first amendment which says that government shall make no law “respecting an establishment of religion or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof", you, like many hate-religion, hate-America left-wingers, cannot even make an argument that is based in reality. This US Constitution you seem to believe in is a left-wing "laws and judgments are living and breathing" based on whims and the fads of the day. I'm sorry, I don't happen to believe this society you think you live in is any type of society that can ensure the happiness and prosperity for EVERYONE. You can live in your dream-land, but don't you dare try to impose that on the rest of us!
So, do, please, tell us all where in the Constitution this "separation" exists?
However there is also nothing in the Constitution to allow special exemptions from tax laws or any other laws for religious organizations except seeking protection as a function of a Limited Liability Corporation operating a non-profit corporation etc. etc. etc.
There are and I just posted them a week or so ago 50 popular but false urban myths such as Freedom of Travel that are not in the Constitution. I make a point of calling people on it every time for that is exactly what the far left is doing and then using that as an excuse to get some tame bought and paid for judge to rule creating a one man or woman amendment system. If you are really a Constitutionalist take the time to read the damn thing....
And another new urban myth the Declaration of Independence was not forged by adding a period. No matter what some dimwit Social Sciences Professor thinks. Trouble is the dummy can't punctuate.
you are hopelessly contradicted...take a course in logic and reason...
Which isn't as a part of government. However bear in mind it would be hard to find someone to be in government whose morals, values, and standards are not affected by some form of philosophic or religious training - except for secular progressives who have neither one nor the other.
Carters ability consists a. of deceiving himself and b. limited carpentry skills. The kind that pulls out and tosses a nail because the point is on the wrong end for this side of the house.
Carter also made the situation worse.....in Iran and made weakness a national policy.
Classic example of how Democrats cause US casualties and deaths, lose wars, then build monuments to themselves.
He wasn't handed a raw deal he voluntarily ran for office and accepted the responsibility.
Not to mention double digit inflation.
Agree on Savak...you get one point...it's not enough to consider more left wing socialist fascism in the guise of an Independent with no discernible skills of leadership or management unless you want another bumbler like Carter.
On the other hand the right wing of the left is no great shakes either.
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