Wasn't Teddy Roosevelt "progressive" before WW?

Like the analogy.
"The process was so gradual we didn't notice" caused me to think of "boiling the frog."
Heard you can boil a live frog without it knowing it by gradually raising the temp of a stove pot it swims in.

ok....

Please read "your comment" I was responding to. It read (copy & Paste) "ban all religions..uncivilized...too much violence...they are all terrorists and will not accept responsibility for their actions... " Now if you would like to discuss banning organized religion I would still disagree. However if you want to remove all tax-free status I would gleefully go along with that as that has been my position for decades.

Food for thought.
I'll call a Pelosi stupid.
Pamela? No.
To call her misguided or mistaken would have set better with me.
On the other hand, I think he may be right about Lincoln';s impact.

Christianity was not following New Testament teachings when they were burning supposed heretics.
What misguided Christians did a long time ago has nothing to do with modern Christianity.
On the other hand, way too many Muslims behave as they did back in the Middle Ages.
Comparing medieval Christians to modern jihadists is the Obama blather of a recent prayer breakfast.

please read what i wrote..."organized" religion...

when individuals "organize" in this country to practice their religion, they have demanded tax-free status for their buildings and practices...and have shifted the burden on others..which, in effect, takes my right to the profits of my labor from me..forcing me to support their "organized" religion...forcing me to work for their sake...the current value of religious property in the u.s. is over $1 trillion dollars..

i do not support taxation, but i do not want to support religion that is not taxed as i am...

sorry...do know "..Daily Kos or the HuffPo..."...interesting that you do...we need to put religion behind us...it is anti-life...

How many individuals did Christianity slaughter on the way to "enlightenment" for how many centuries???...religion is opposite of reason and logic and knowledge...you are hurt everyday by their rejection of a rational way of life..islam wants to blow you up...christianity used to burn you at the stake...i have no respect for either one...

I did not vote for Jimmy Carter to get in. But I think that a far greater mistake was FDR. 4 times. That
was what did so much damage to free enterprise in
this country. I hope that we will be able to convert
enough people to Objectivism in time to repair it,
and recover what we have lost.

Uh, I think you are on the wrong website. Try, maybe, the Daily Kos or the HuffPo.

Obama is not the mistake, he is simply the latest named hurricane that's part of the red tide that has been eroding "Liberty Beach" for centuries. This beach WAS mile wide when the founding fathers landed on it and they built a sound foundation and elaborate CONCRETE jetty to preserve it. They called it the constitution.

But with every succeeding wave of elected officials, a little more sand was a washed out to sea. The process was so gradual we didn't notice.

EXCEPT on those occasions when a named hurricane hit the beach and washed huge portions out in a relatively short period of time (4-8 years) . Most of the big hurricanes have been listed here, Roosevelt, Roosevelt2', Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and some minor tropical depressions, whose names all end with an "R".

Obama simply represents the high water mark of the erosion of more than a century. Hurricane Obama only feels more catastrophic because we have become so accustomed to accepting the erosion the little strip of beach left he feels no compunction to lay claim to the rest. He barely has to disclaim his true identity as a socialist storm, unlike his predecessors. Why, because the red tide is with him and rising. he is just riding the wave.

I stopped worrying about the Hurricanes, it's the rising tide and steady crashing of a million waves that has breached our jetties hastening the erosion of our liberty on an exponential basis. NOW when hurricanes, like Obama hit they can all but disregard any barrier, legal or otherwise, and help themselves to all the sand they want.

We need to start focusing on the red tide that has almost imperceptibly seeped into every crevice of our culture and our lives, and thus our leadership. What allowed the American people to offer themselves up to their subtle enslavers. How can their minds hold "double think" contradictions like: unfettered freedom and progressive individualism and tolerance, yet support economic enslavement, the collective good, and subjective ad hoc morality? Rand asked all the right questions, she even predicted what would happen if those questions were ignored. We live in her prognostication because we ( meaning all of us) have failed to stem the red tide.

Those of us who would like to see "Liberty Beach" reclaimed i.e., restoring the freedom we once had, had better start by solving the problem of the red tide, otherwise, any beach reclamation project becomes nothing more that a Sisyphusian fools errand.

let's stop treating symptoms, start treating diseases i.e. The mass delusion of rationalized irrationality.

allosaur you are in a losing battle with this guy. he leaves a lot to be desired as a supposed objectivist

Banning religion would take away the right of people to live how they wish. All this God and Religion stuff is not for me but those that practice a religion need to respect that I don't. I stand with anyone who does not want to kill me or take my rights for the sake of theirs.

My kind of woman.

I disagree.
Christianity grew a tolerant brain thanks mainly due to the Renaissance.
I respect the faiths of Jews, Buddhists and Hindus, especially since none of them do not want to hurt me and can tolerate me for a fact.
There is only one major religion these days with fanatics who want to cut people's heads off. and think blowing themselves up while surrounded by unbelievers is a ticket to heaven.

I admire her as well. I also think that she could have listed many more mistakes that have taken place than these three. But, they are a good start. As for mistakes of importance versus in order of appearance bh0 should be at the top of the list.

Yes, after slavery, the second thing would be the progressive movement. When people started saying the phrase, "with a country this rich, we should provide ...", you start a viewpoint that any spending is o.k.. It is like if a business hires someone and they work there for a few years, they don't keep getting paychecks if they decide to stop working. As we've been "progressing", we're only progressing for those who aren't paying for it. Social Security use to be for those who paid it into the system, when they introduced SSI (Supplemental Security Income) they allowed people who never worked a day in their life,

A big problem is our oversized government. Government in a capitalistic society is, by nature, supposed to be a small government. As we've bloated our government, we have it so top heavy that every Director has a Deputy Director who has a couple of Assistant Deputy Directors, who each have their Managers and Assistant Managers. If each of those make $100,000 to $200,000 per year, you can see how each department costs so much. The more people that you have in government, the more corruption and inefficiency that you have in it. If we went back to the Constitution, our Government would be 1/3 its' current size.

I can agree with both of these points.

Good-looking or not, Pamela is one strong
gutsy 'babe', eh Allosaur??

Right on!

"orgainzed" religion..what you do in the privacy of your home is your business...
the Pilgrims ran a communistic society...it failed
the Founding Fathers wanted separation of church and state, yet i am forced to support religion with my property taxes as church property is not taxed...
kings & religions are different sides of the same dictatorial coin...let's complete the revolution and reject religion ...

It is so easy to “armchair quarterback” if you are not grounded in principle. Ms. Gellar's article, which as flaws, is still an excellent article.

“Slavery” which the Founders detested and wanted to abolish at the git-go is an affront to the Constitution as well as the principals of Ms. Rands “individualism”. But they compromised knowing that any battle with Britain would be lost without the participation of the southern states. History has proved that. I also believe that while Lincoln seized powers that were not his to seize his guidance was to preserve the “All men are created equal” clause of the Constitution and the Republic. His actions could have been thwarted by the Congress had they decided to do so. But they didn't. Fast-forward, for a moment, to present day and those precedents being used by Obama. After the elections of 2010, 2012, 2014, the Republicans controlled the House of Representatives. Since the House, as per the Constitution, holds the power of the purse anything that Obama did could have been pushed aside if the Republicans had the will and backbone to do the hard work. But when one is afraid of their own shadow bad decisions get made. Also our 2 party system is morphing into a single party system because all of those elected have forgotten History and their Oaths to Office.

“Carter” An asshole for all the reasons Ms. Gellar mentioned. But also because of his Community Reinvestment Act which told banks to loan money to people even though those people would not be able to pay back the loan. The festering pus ball was put on steroids by Bill Clinton and in 2008 the pus ball exploded causing the Housing market crash.

“Obama” We are living in the hell this Marxist has created. He clearly is not misguided or incompetent his actions with the economy, foreign policy –- well actually everything he has done has been done to bring America to its knees. I think we all know what each of the issue are as we have lived it.

“Not so Honorable Mentions” Woodrow Wilson perverted Progressive that gave all of Americans value to the Banks of the World and gave us “fiat currency”. FDR which give us further the Welfare State with all his New Deal blah, blah, blah. I understand why his own party began the fight for “Presidental Term Limits” they should have imposed those limits on Congress as well. LBJ for his insane War on Poverty.

America has had many missteps in our History of over 200 years but the fact remain we are still here.

ban all religions..uncivilized...too much violence...they are all terrorists and will not accept responsibility for their actions...

A different three:
- Federal Reserve
- 16th Amendment
- 17th Amendment