Pamela Geller is a freedom fighter. She never claimed to be perfect. I am not, nor are you, "freedomforall." Why not comment without personal attacks? It's quite easy for those who think rationally.
I admire her as well. I also think that she could have listed many more mistakes that have taken place than these three. But, they are a good start. As for mistakes of importance versus in order of appearance bh0 should be at the top of the list.
It was brought to the USA sometime after Marx and Engels did their Das Kapital and before Woodrow Wilson became President and introduced it officially as a government program. Through the university system.
Possibly Geller is shortsighted and ignoring history, just trying to make GOP evil fascist-socialist candidates appear less evil by comparing to Democrat evil socialist-fascists. imo, she never really intended to consider the biggest mistakes in American history. The other possibility: Geller is just too stupid to actually read history and understand it. That appears frequently among the entertainers who distract people from the fact that the one party system is intended to stealthily enslave while pretending to offer a choice.
Upon reflection, I reconsidered who Pam Geller is. She is much more concerned with Islamo-Fascism that any other issue. This is where her "list" comes from. I don't think she's stupid. Her concerns are just more pinpointed in that area.
Allowing for the possibility that a person could actually make a living as a politician - making that job a possible career, as opposed to something a citizen volunteered to do for a short period of time, then returned to their 'normal life' knowing they had to live with the consequences of their decisions - has to be near the top. Once that happened, we no longer had government by and for the people, and we were ruled by an out of touch ruling class.
Obama is not the mistake, he is simply the latest named hurricane that's part of the red tide that has been eroding "Liberty Beach" for centuries. This beach WAS mile wide when the founding fathers landed on it and they built a sound foundation and elaborate CONCRETE jetty to preserve it. They called it the constitution.
But with every succeeding wave of elected officials, a little more sand was a washed out to sea. The process was so gradual we didn't notice.
EXCEPT on those occasions when a named hurricane hit the beach and washed huge portions out in a relatively short period of time (4-8 years) . Most of the big hurricanes have been listed here, Roosevelt, Roosevelt2', Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and some minor tropical depressions, whose names all end with an "R".
Obama simply represents the high water mark of the erosion of more than a century. Hurricane Obama only feels more catastrophic because we have become so accustomed to accepting the erosion the little strip of beach left he feels no compunction to lay claim to the rest. He barely has to disclaim his true identity as a socialist storm, unlike his predecessors. Why, because the red tide is with him and rising. he is just riding the wave.
I stopped worrying about the Hurricanes, it's the rising tide and steady crashing of a million waves that has breached our jetties hastening the erosion of our liberty on an exponential basis. NOW when hurricanes, like Obama hit they can all but disregard any barrier, legal or otherwise, and help themselves to all the sand they want.
We need to start focusing on the red tide that has almost imperceptibly seeped into every crevice of our culture and our lives, and thus our leadership. What allowed the American people to offer themselves up to their subtle enslavers. How can their minds hold "double think" contradictions like: unfettered freedom and progressive individualism and tolerance, yet support economic enslavement, the collective good, and subjective ad hoc morality? Rand asked all the right questions, she even predicted what would happen if those questions were ignored. We live in her prognostication because we ( meaning all of us) have failed to stem the red tide.
Those of us who would like to see "Liberty Beach" reclaimed i.e., restoring the freedom we once had, had better start by solving the problem of the red tide, otherwise, any beach reclamation project becomes nothing more that a Sisyphusian fools errand.
let's stop treating symptoms, start treating diseases i.e. The mass delusion of rationalized irrationality.
The only way to "treat" mass irrationality is to get control of education and use it to educate the next generation better. And of course you can't use democratic means to accomplish that because rational people won't have a majority until after you've done it, if then.
No. I think it's time to abandon the democratic experiment, and design a state with a small set of laws, fixed in a constitution and not changeable ever.
If the real Gault's Gulch existed, we could all just pick up and move there. Unfortunately we are stuck in the Dagny Delema of having to try to change it rather than abandon it. But I'm not completely pessimistic. Talk to a college age student about freedom and individuality and most will expose themselves as libertarians, and even defacto objectivists if they are principled in there thought. The problem is they reject the labels... Again assuming intellectual honesty (which is assuming a lot from a young mind). But you start by talking to them about tolerance, anti-establishment individualism ( everyone is a snow flake) and then reference progressive principles we agree with, like liberal positions on choice (sexual, abortion, drugs) and you have a cocktail that most late teens will swallow. Just don't put " Libertarian Libation" or "Rand-y Brandy" on the label. I've been experimenting with students with encouraging results.
I don't quite agree. I just moved to FNA. As for college students the key phrase is 'if they are principled' Where would that come from on a University Campus other than one like Hillsdale and a few Professors who sneak in a blow here and there? As you said assuming intellectual honesty assumes an intellect.
First what is FNA? Second, the Koch brothers are on the right track. They sponsor dozens of academic university chairs that represent at least a libertarian, if not an objectivist perspective. I'm working with one here at FGCU. He has converted dozens of students every year. Guess we just need a few billion to sponsor a chair at every university.
Like the analogy. "The process was so gradual we didn't notice" caused me to think of "boiling the frog." Heard you can boil a live frog without it knowing it by gradually raising the temp of a stove pot it swims in.
Yes, after slavery, the second thing would be the progressive movement. When people started saying the phrase, "with a country this rich, we should provide ...", you start a viewpoint that any spending is o.k.. It is like if a business hires someone and they work there for a few years, they don't keep getting paychecks if they decide to stop working. As we've been "progressing", we're only progressing for those who aren't paying for it. Social Security use to be for those who paid it into the system, when they introduced SSI (Supplemental Security Income) they allowed people who never worked a day in their life,
A big problem is our oversized government. Government in a capitalistic society is, by nature, supposed to be a small government. As we've bloated our government, we have it so top heavy that every Director has a Deputy Director who has a couple of Assistant Deputy Directors, who each have their Managers and Assistant Managers. If each of those make $100,000 to $200,000 per year, you can see how each department costs so much. The more people that you have in government, the more corruption and inefficiency that you have in it. If we went back to the Constitution, our Government would be 1/3 its' current size.
Notice that those who were planning on spending all of the country's money were not the ones who earned it. Virtually all of the barons apparently bought into the idea that their wealth wasn't theirs, so they proceeded to give it away, beginning with Carnegie. What they created in the giving was awesome - universities, libraries, and other institutions that enabled the rapid advancement of the country. The problem was that the giving was couched in altruism, not rational selfishness. Once that crack was made in the dam, then all kinds of so-called "progressive" policies could be implemented, beginning with anti trust. Once it was conceded that a bureaucrat could limit how much you could achieve, then the crack became a bigger and bigger hole. Now, the entire lake looks like it's about to engulf the town, that city on the hill. The lesson to be learned is that ANY violation of one's rights opens a festering sore that will eventually destroy the host. Beginning with slavery, where we betrayed the very founding principles upon which the revolution was fought, any principled stand of individual rights was weakened, including the right of the robber barons to earn and keep their money without having to put it up for hostage, in order to be allowed to continue to achieve. In that context, TR, WW, HH, FDR, and all those following, were merely riding a wave that was set in motion long before they were even a twinkle in their parents' eyes.
Learn about the Carnegie Foundation For International Peace and their true agenda founded in 1908 , from the minutes of their meetings from G. Edward Griffiths interview with Norman Dodd. That will explain what is really happening.
It is so easy to “armchair quarterback” if you are not grounded in principle. Ms. Gellar's article, which as flaws, is still an excellent article.
“Slavery” which the Founders detested and wanted to abolish at the git-go is an affront to the Constitution as well as the principals of Ms. Rands “individualism”. But they compromised knowing that any battle with Britain would be lost without the participation of the southern states. History has proved that. I also believe that while Lincoln seized powers that were not his to seize his guidance was to preserve the “All men are created equal” clause of the Constitution and the Republic. His actions could have been thwarted by the Congress had they decided to do so. But they didn't. Fast-forward, for a moment, to present day and those precedents being used by Obama. After the elections of 2010, 2012, 2014, the Republicans controlled the House of Representatives. Since the House, as per the Constitution, holds the power of the purse anything that Obama did could have been pushed aside if the Republicans had the will and backbone to do the hard work. But when one is afraid of their own shadow bad decisions get made. Also our 2 party system is morphing into a single party system because all of those elected have forgotten History and their Oaths to Office.
“Carter” An asshole for all the reasons Ms. Gellar mentioned. But also because of his Community Reinvestment Act which told banks to loan money to people even though those people would not be able to pay back the loan. The festering pus ball was put on steroids by Bill Clinton and in 2008 the pus ball exploded causing the Housing market crash.
“Obama” We are living in the hell this Marxist has created. He clearly is not misguided or incompetent his actions with the economy, foreign policy –- well actually everything he has done has been done to bring America to its knees. I think we all know what each of the issue are as we have lived it.
“Not so Honorable Mentions” Woodrow Wilson perverted Progressive that gave all of Americans value to the Banks of the World and gave us “fiat currency”. FDR which give us further the Welfare State with all his New Deal blah, blah, blah. I understand why his own party began the fight for “Presidental Term Limits” they should have imposed those limits on Congress as well. LBJ for his insane War on Poverty.
America has had many missteps in our History of over 200 years but the fact remain we are still here.
(1) Abraham Lincoln bringing forth massive federalism. (2) Woodrow Wilson, bringing forth the fed and setting the policies of fiat currency and the disaster that portends in motion, not to mention the whole fiasco of involving us in a foreign war in Europe. (3) F.D. Roosevelt, for bringing this nation closer than any president (save the most recent) to a socialist oligarchy controlled, run, and espoused by the federal government. Also see the foreign war thing above.
Slavery was already on it's way out, and it's pretty well known that it would not have survived the 1860's regardless of the war - I know, it's not politically correct not to eschew the enslavement of humans, and to assume a tremendous amount of collaborative social guilt over that, but reviewing the documents of the times, even the president of the Confederacy admitted that emancipation would have had to occur before 1870. It was not a popular sentiment, but popular or not, it was reality.
Carter was the first person to take 2 middle eastern tribes that had been historically (hell, biblically) at war for centuries and get them to shake hands. He was handed a raw deal with the Shah, and it was our cozying up with Reza Pahlavi for the decades post WW2 (Who, by the way, was notorious for his secret police, the Savak, and dictatorial fist over his country); a man feared and despised by most of his own countrymen, which brought forth former exiles from Iran (such as one Ruhollah Khomeini) to try to take over once the Shah was close to the end of his days. As soon as he came to America (for treatment), the die was cast and the rift appeared allowing the Iranian Revolution to take place and Khomeini to claim the seat of power. It was the US's undying and absolute support of the former Shah that created the Embassy Crisis, which Carter was stuck with.
My only debate is (God forbid) Hillary gets elected, which would be worse - the socialistic, dictatorial communist anti-American in the White House, or the one that immediately preceded her? Seriously - as much as people abhor Sanders, at least his credibility is there. You know what and who he is, and unlike the others, he's not working his butt off to hide it.
Sanders has no credibility. He's one thing disguised as another. End of that subject.
Carters ability consists a. of deceiving himself and b. limited carpentry skills. The kind that pulls out and tosses a nail because the point is on the wrong end for this side of the house.
Carter also made the situation worse.....in Iran and made weakness a national policy.
Classic example of how Democrats cause US casualties and deaths, lose wars, then build monuments to themselves.
He wasn't handed a raw deal he voluntarily ran for office and accepted the responsibility.
Not to mention double digit inflation.
Agree on Savak...you get one point...it's not enough to consider more left wing socialist fascism in the guise of an Independent with no discernible skills of leadership or management unless you want another bumbler like Carter.
On the other hand the right wing of the left is no great shakes either.
Re: (1) I think you mean centralism. (Federalism = devolution of power from the central government to the states. Lincoln was against that.)
The Shah, of course, was put in power by the CIA in 1952 after they assassinated Mossadegh for nationalizing the property of US oil companies in Iran. I have no problem with the US or similar countries doing this; I wish we could still afford to do it today, and take back the loot already seized by the Saudis and others.
As for the Shah being unpopular, I'm sure that was true while he ruled. But I know some immigrants from Iran and they would love to have him back, so they could go home.
The fact that we allowed all the third world pestholes to rob the many investors of their property was the first solid example of multiculturalism. What should have been done to the very first thug who thought that he could rob the investors of their property was to hang him in the city square, like they hanged horse thieves. Instead, we legitimized it, with the result that every thug in sight jumped on the bandwagon. Just look at petroleum, for example. It had been under the hooves of the Arab's and Persian's (and others') horses and camels for millennia. It had no value in those societies. The only place it had value was in the developed countries, as we can see even today. It meant nothing to the tribesmen. In their eyes, they were being given gold for something that was worthless. Nice job, if you can get it. It's the same with ALL of the commodities. The only places they have value are in Paris, New York, Tokyo, Berlin, London,.... Think about that.
Apples and oranges. That's not what multiculturalism means. Multiculturalism is simply the freedom to practice a culture different from what's common in the country you live in.
"Allowing" third world countries to rob investors is simply accepting their national sovereignty (at least that's how it's worded if you're in favor of it) or is failure to pursue sensible colonialism (if you're not).
The world has always been better off economically during periods when one large empire dominates the world and practices colonialism. But this is only economically possible when the empire has and maintains a big lead in the "arms race" against everybody else. When Rome, and later Britain, and now the US, lost that lead their empires collapsed, and the world went into economic depressions. I bring this up because it is only during one of these periods of colonialism that it's practical to go out and conquer the poor countries -- and even then the conquest won't stick unless you have the moral courage to make them abandon the anti-property-rights cultural views that made them poor.
As far as things having greater value in one place than another -- that is confused thinking. Petroleum has the same worth everywhere, but it's the willingness to allow cars and other consumer goods to be marketed that causes it to be useful here. The residents of Arabia and Persia could have that as easily as we did, but they or their rulers chose not to. The best argument for colonialism is that it enables individuals to make these choices even if the dominant culture in that land disagrees with them.
I was thinking Roosevelt, F.D., 2. not putting the changes in the Constitution in the addendum at the back putting the changed sections in the back, 3. and a toss up between income tax/and dismantling checks and balances with back to back amendments. without which the article authors two and three would not have existed.
There is a fourth and that was join with Canada and an easy method. Invade Canada then capitulate. In not so many years we would outvote them. As Allosaur mentioned that should make you laugh...at first.
I don’t think Geller really studied history. Jefferson changed completely from the guy we all know and love to a land grabber once he became president. Lincoln is the first, though, to completely shred the Constitution and get away with it. Much worse than the Carter and Obama she complains about.
I can accept booting peanut-brained Carter from the equation, but I consider Obama a far more enormous immediate threat to freedom compared to Lincoln. As for Income Tax and the Fed, yeah, I have no problem with that replacing Carter.
Without Lincoln, Obama wouldn't have had the precedents to do what he has done. Lincoln destroyed the liberty of all Americans, and destroyed what balance the constitution provided to keep the executive from pretending to be king.
Dang, you're hard to argue with! Then following Lincoln, there came the "Progressives" Woodrow Wilson and FDR. OK, I got it. That's why I like the Gulch. Old dino can learn stuff here.
Food for thought. I'll call a Pelosi stupid. Pamela? No. To call her misguided or mistaken would have set better with me. On the other hand, I think he may be right about Lincoln';s impact.
a whole string of them in both partys but compared to the current crop JFK was a conservative libertarian objectivist who had memorized Ayn Rand. The slippery slope scenario has turned into a Jamaican Bob Sled Survival Scream
I did not vote for Jimmy Carter to get in. But I think that a far greater mistake was FDR. 4 times. That was what did so much damage to free enterprise in this country. I hope that we will be able to convert enough people to Objectivism in time to repair it, and recover what we have lost.
Sure it was called Depression, Massive unemployment made worse by government programs and engineering our entry into World War II. The ideology is called socialism coupled with fear.
Right you are, Pamela! If not limiting it to three, we could add Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, onandonandon. But I cannot think of anything worse than her three.Although I just came across a quote that applies to the above by one of them, none other than Teddy himself: "They are equally deficient in brains and virtue."
Most folks writing such articles do not seek to know the ethnological beliefs underlying the situations they are referring to. As a man thinks, so he is.
Allowing organized religion?! Freedom of religion is what initially drove quite a few of Europeans over here. The Founding Fathers were not Communists. Our Founding Fathers never would have been our Founding Fathers if they had denied religion in the first place. We'd still be British subjects maybe.
"orgainzed" religion..what you do in the privacy of your home is your business... the Pilgrims ran a communistic society...it failed the Founding Fathers wanted separation of church and state, yet i am forced to support religion with my property taxes as church property is not taxed... kings & religions are different sides of the same dictatorial coin...let's complete the revolution and reject religion ...
No need to reject just put it in it's proper place. Which isn't as a part of government. However bear in mind it would be hard to find someone to be in government whose morals, values, and standards are not affected by some form of philosophic or religious training - except for secular progressives who have neither one nor the other.
I disagree. Christianity grew a tolerant brain thanks mainly due to the Renaissance. I respect the faiths of Jews, Buddhists and Hindus, especially since none of them do not want to hurt me and can tolerate me for a fact. There is only one major religion these days with fanatics who want to cut people's heads off. and think blowing themselves up while surrounded by unbelievers is a ticket to heaven.
You aren't wrong there but I need to look u a time line. Six years minimum to get citizenship and get officially sworn in and then they can vote if I'm correct.The test itself is five to ten minutes of memorization it's a joke. For the fun of it when one of the less than six year people asked me how laws were changed told him, 'by ignoring them.' He very politel told me that was not one of the four choices.of the four one was correct and none reflected real life. which are. direct order of the President, By order of any 'Judge, when congress holds a 'deeming' vote or by ignoring it. A, B, C, D.
Renaissance and Enlightenment are two good words to use together but since then..i see no evidence of that. some reall believe separation of church and state is a constitutional right and others believe in balanced budget with a surplus and some beleive businesses pay taxes and others believe a fish needs a bicycle....Probably learned all that in in pubic schools thinking with the little head. ,
Six years pass the test and the questionnaire. If any questions are answered yes you get taken to the back room.... The questions are worded like this, "Did you or have you ever voted in an election prior to this date? the main thing to take the test is $680.00 USA. So what is the money for?
a. To defray the costs of closing down Guantanamo b. 200,000 syrians times 680 dollars is 1,360,000,000 million the amount projected for . Obama's retirement home(s) and Presidential storage site. No longer using the word library that is offensive to those who can't read. But all have 18 hole courses. c. Pay for the cost of dinner dates in Paris or anywhere except Nairobi where rumor has it there may be a bunch of unpaid parking tickets involving another name but they do have prints. 3. Legal fees 4. Cost of ObamaCare premiums 5. Hillary's best offer for a pardon. 6. His accumulated unpaid green fees to date. 7. Have fun it's your turn.
I'm thinking up random examples of Christian tolerance~ There was a point in time when Catholics and Protestants stopped shooting cannon balls at each other and found a way to live side by side and get along. At some point both versions of Christianity quit picking on Jews until Nazis came and went. There's a passage in the New Testament about encouraging one to be a fisher of men; but should your preaching be rejected, just beat the dust off your sandals and go your merry way. There's nothing about siccing some Inquisition on anyone. It was the lust for power (and greed) that caused Christianity to become so twisted and quite quickly way back when.
How many individuals did Christianity slaughter on the way to "enlightenment" for how many centuries???...religion is opposite of reason and logic and knowledge...you are hurt everyday by their rejection of a rational way of life..islam wants to blow you up...christianity used to burn you at the stake...i have no respect for either one...
Christianity was not following New Testament teachings when they were burning supposed heretics. What misguided Christians did a long time ago has nothing to do with modern Christianity. On the other hand, way too many Muslims behave as they did back in the Middle Ages. Comparing medieval Christians to modern jihadists is the Obama blather of a recent prayer breakfast.
Why is it "interesting" that I know about other websites when you, I assume, are saying you don't? The "interesting" comment would imply that you actually do know what type of websites they are.
Anyway, totalitarianism is pretty much frowned on here in the Gulch. So, my suggestion was that you might find more like-minds at those other places. I want everyone to be happy! If, obviously, religion won't make you happy, I suggest you leave others to decide for themselves. However, validation if you feel you need it, you might find elsewhere.
truly have no idea what the websites you referred to are all about...
as to "totalitarianism", i refer you to the book by Hannah Arendt under the same title...
others are free to decide whether or not to be religious, but when they band together to force me to support them, that is totalitarianism...organized religion with govt protected rights that infringe on my rights is totalitarianism...
Under the constitution, groups have a right to gather under the first amendment, you know the BILL OF RIGHTS? You seem to be a person of tyrannical leanings who wants to break up people who gather in fellowship because YOU don't like it (or are afraid of it?)??? You know the constitution? It's there to protect ALL NATURAL RIGHTS and freedoms. You don't support them, fine. DON'T. No one is FORCED to support them. If they are tax exempt, how does that hurt you? How does what anyone have to pay or not pay harm you? I suppose you think a rich person making lots of money harms you, too? Taxes harm this country overall whether someone or SOME GROUP pays or not. Don't get on a band-wagon blaming the group. Blame the taxes YOU have to pay and the people who write, institute, and ENFORCE the tax laws (yes, that goes for local, state, and federal). There is NO PLACE in the Constitution, or life for that matter, for ENVY.
Your focus on organized religion is not on the problem but on a symptom and THAT NEVER solves problems. Your focus on religious groups also says a lot about YOU, not them.
In the meantime, you wish tax-exempt status? Use the criminal tax code as it is written now and start a 503C. Or, go online and pick up one of those certificates that say you are "ordained" and claim tax-exempt status yourself! LOL. Problem solved. If envy.....sorry life gives you lemons, make lemonade! AND STOP COMPLAINING. There's lots of simple wisdom in that silly song, "Don't worry, be happy" you might want to try to emulate. It really does make you attractive to others. But, in the end, get out there and change the tax code with a SMILE on your face. It will also have a magical effect of making you feel happy! BUT STOP ADVOCATING FOR DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, okay? That will only help continue us down the road to tyrannical hell we are currently marching on.
is that the same constitution that talks about the separation of church and state???....so you are defending the violation of the constitution by giving "organized religions" extra-constitutional rights???...you are the tyrannical dictator...you see constitutional violations as "lemons"...choose to ignore them and move on and i am forced by dictatorial law (which you support) to bend under the yoke or go to jail...
you are hopelessly contradicted...take a course in logic and reason...
Uh, you need to go back to elementary school. Probably a private school would be best, definitely NOT a state-run school which is where you seem to have received your education.
There is NO MENTION of a separation of church and state in the United States Constitution! Your left-wing, government-run education has let down many Americans, unfortunately. It is a revision of history, not an actual history education that you received! Time to go back and see where you were duped! And, that's what all left-wingers are, a bunch of mind-numb dupes.
Besides cherry-picking the first amendment which says that government shall make no law “respecting an establishment of religion or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof", you, like many hate-religion, hate-America left-wingers, cannot even make an argument that is based in reality. This US Constitution you seem to believe in is a left-wing "laws and judgments are living and breathing" based on whims and the fads of the day. I'm sorry, I don't happen to believe this society you think you live in is any type of society that can ensure the happiness and prosperity for EVERYONE. You can live in your dream-land, but don't you dare try to impose that on the rest of us!
So, do, please, tell us all where in the Constitution this "separation" exists?
The constitution doesn't say anything about separation of church and state that's a false urban myth. It says freedom of religion and bars setting up a State Church such as England has. So where's the violation? It is over in some of the federalist anti federalist writings and started with Jefferson but it is NOT in the Constitution and commentary like this post does not have the force of law. So your comment is meaningless and worse spreads false beliefs..
However there is also nothing in the Constitution to allow special exemptions from tax laws or any other laws for religious organizations except seeking protection as a function of a Limited Liability Corporation operating a non-profit corporation etc. etc. etc.
There are and I just posted them a week or so ago 50 popular but false urban myths such as Freedom of Travel that are not in the Constitution. I make a point of calling people on it every time for that is exactly what the far left is doing and then using that as an excuse to get some tame bought and paid for judge to rule creating a one man or woman amendment system. If you are really a Constitutionalist take the time to read the damn thing....
And another new urban myth the Declaration of Independence was not forged by adding a period. No matter what some dimwit Social Sciences Professor thinks. Trouble is the dummy can't punctuate.
Wrong again. There is no freedom FROM religion stated in the constitution either. Where do you get all this? READ first the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE and open your eyes to WHERE the founders thought our liberties come from. Then, you can go back to the Constitution to learn more.
You don't like tax exemptions for religious organizations, we ALL get that. However, instead of working to eliminate all taxes (you know, by working to repeal the 16th amendment) that harm our abilities to freely innovate and conduct our lives as we would wish as was originally intended by the Constitution, you dump on religion and religious organizations. Guess you dislike religion more than you dislike taxes. Care to tell us why that would be?
If the income tax was not established there would be no issue. And IMHO the income tax was the fist step in taking full control of the people of this country. It should never have happened.
I was not replying to the main question, I was replying to your statement and issue with religious groups getting tax favors. No tax favors if the 16th Amendment did not happen. Simply a comment, not an argument.
I don't agree with special exemptions for churches or PAC's at the same time I don't agree with any kind of sexism, racism, and religious bigotry especially if it's coming from the government. Which reminds me
No draft exemptions for women!
No more asking racial or ethnic backgrounds on all government forms.
Get rid of apartheid.
Follow the Genghis Khan rule - complete religious freedom with instant execution for religions that try to interfere with government and members of government who violate the first requirement.
The same sentence applied to thieves.
You notice from those statements i consider the government itself to be the Number One proponent of those failings. Physician heal thyself before you hang your shingle and open for business.
Not sure you read my whole message, but okay. To be more succinct, I was telling mia767ca to attack the problem, not the symptom. The problem is out of control government taxation, tax laws, and the like. NOT religious groups.
That Genghis Khan rule would make it hard for Southern Baptists to act like Southern Baptists in places I've hailed from through my 68 years. . In fact, Id find that amusing.
Banning religion would take away the right of people to live how they wish. All this God and Religion stuff is not for me but those that practice a religion need to respect that I don't. I stand with anyone who does not want to kill me or take my rights for the sake of theirs.
please read what i wrote..."organized" religion...
when individuals "organize" in this country to practice their religion, they have demanded tax-free status for their buildings and practices...and have shifted the burden on others..which, in effect, takes my right to the profits of my labor from me..forcing me to support their "organized" religion...forcing me to work for their sake...the current value of religious property in the u.s. is over $1 trillion dollars..
i do not support taxation, but i do not want to support religion that is not taxed as i am...
Rather than pushing for taxing religion, whether organized or not, how about fighting for removing the taxation from your own hide? Then you won't have to complain about supporting a religion, or school, or government agency, or foundation, or any 501c3, etc. It's interesting to see, when a boot is on your neck, rather than removing the boot, you want others to also have a boot on their neck, to be "fair."
why not both? Consider if there were no income tax and therefore no deductions exactly how altruistic would the average working stiff be? That runs from flipping burgers to billionaires boys club.
i have always supported the removal of taxation from my hide...opposing the non-tax status of organized religion is one such way...i think the constitution says something about making no laws in regards to religion...
So being operated in private is the only basis for classifying a religion as "disorganized?" Seems shallow to me.
I would argue all religions are organized, but the extent to which is up for discussion depending on the objective of the religion vs whether some external body has imposed limits upon it for its benefit.
Please read "your comment" I was responding to. It read (copy & Paste) "ban all religions..uncivilized...too much violence...they are all terrorists and will not accept responsibility for their actions... " Now if you would like to discuss banning organized religion I would still disagree. However if you want to remove all tax-free status I would gleefully go along with that as that has been my position for decades.
I completely agree that church's should not sell out to the government by accepting tax free status because they usually have to restrict making certain official statements about the government when they accept such a status.
It is hypocritical since the collaboration between church and state occurs here, but they are completely repulsed by it in government schools.
From one side of her mouth Pamela lauds Individual rights and freedom. From the other side she praises our former ally, the Shah of Iran. Talk about blanking out. The Shah, with the help of our CIA and Israel's Mossad, set up his secret police, the Savak, to torture and kill any Iranians who protested his brutal dictatorship and his selling out of his country's assets to foreign companies, primarily British oil. To say nothing of our overthrowing the Iranian government in 1953 to remove the democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, and reinstalling the shah as emperor.
It's understandable that Ms. Geller, who is Jewish, would promote the anti-Iran and anti-Muslim agenda in a Christian advocacy site. Nothing like adding more oil to the fire. One has to admire her firebrand advocacy and skillful spins while deploring her subterfuges.
I marked you down as protest against sexism, racism and bigotry. No subterfuge though. It's right out in the open. this is not an attack but a comment since you invited same.
The other possibility: Geller is just too stupid to actually read history and understand it. That appears frequently among the entertainers who distract people from the fact that the one party system is intended to stealthily enslave while pretending to offer a choice.
But with every succeeding wave of elected officials, a little more sand was a washed out to sea. The process was so gradual we didn't notice.
EXCEPT on those occasions when a named hurricane hit the beach and washed huge portions out in a relatively short period of time (4-8 years) . Most of the big hurricanes have been listed here, Roosevelt, Roosevelt2', Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and some minor tropical depressions, whose names all end with an "R".
Obama simply represents the high water mark of the erosion of more than a century. Hurricane Obama only feels more catastrophic because we have become so accustomed to accepting the erosion the little strip of beach left he feels no compunction to lay claim to the rest. He barely has to disclaim his true identity as a socialist storm, unlike his predecessors. Why, because the red tide is with him and rising. he is just riding the wave.
I stopped worrying about the Hurricanes, it's the rising tide and steady crashing of a million waves that has breached our jetties hastening the erosion of our liberty on an exponential basis. NOW when hurricanes, like Obama hit they can all but disregard any barrier, legal or otherwise, and help themselves to all the sand they want.
We need to start focusing on the red tide that has almost imperceptibly seeped into every crevice of our culture and our lives, and thus our leadership. What allowed the American people to offer themselves up to their subtle enslavers. How can their minds hold "double think" contradictions like: unfettered freedom and progressive individualism and tolerance, yet support economic enslavement, the collective good, and subjective ad hoc morality? Rand asked all the right questions, she even predicted what would happen if those questions were ignored. We live in her prognostication because we ( meaning all of us) have failed to stem the red tide.
Those of us who would like to see "Liberty Beach" reclaimed i.e., restoring the freedom we once had, had better start by solving the problem of the red tide, otherwise, any beach reclamation project becomes nothing more that a Sisyphusian fools errand.
let's stop treating symptoms, start treating diseases i.e. The mass delusion of rationalized irrationality.
No. I think it's time to abandon the democratic experiment, and design a state with a small set of laws, fixed in a constitution and not changeable ever.
"The process was so gradual we didn't notice" caused me to think of "boiling the frog."
Heard you can boil a live frog without it knowing it by gradually raising the temp of a stove pot it swims in.
A big problem is our oversized government. Government in a capitalistic society is, by nature, supposed to be a small government. As we've bloated our government, we have it so top heavy that every Director has a Deputy Director who has a couple of Assistant Deputy Directors, who each have their Managers and Assistant Managers. If each of those make $100,000 to $200,000 per year, you can see how each department costs so much. The more people that you have in government, the more corruption and inefficiency that you have in it. If we went back to the Constitution, our Government would be 1/3 its' current size.
“Slavery” which the Founders detested and wanted to abolish at the git-go is an affront to the Constitution as well as the principals of Ms. Rands “individualism”. But they compromised knowing that any battle with Britain would be lost without the participation of the southern states. History has proved that. I also believe that while Lincoln seized powers that were not his to seize his guidance was to preserve the “All men are created equal” clause of the Constitution and the Republic. His actions could have been thwarted by the Congress had they decided to do so. But they didn't. Fast-forward, for a moment, to present day and those precedents being used by Obama. After the elections of 2010, 2012, 2014, the Republicans controlled the House of Representatives. Since the House, as per the Constitution, holds the power of the purse anything that Obama did could have been pushed aside if the Republicans had the will and backbone to do the hard work. But when one is afraid of their own shadow bad decisions get made. Also our 2 party system is morphing into a single party system because all of those elected have forgotten History and their Oaths to Office.
“Carter” An asshole for all the reasons Ms. Gellar mentioned. But also because of his Community Reinvestment Act which told banks to loan money to people even though those people would not be able to pay back the loan. The festering pus ball was put on steroids by Bill Clinton and in 2008 the pus ball exploded causing the Housing market crash.
“Obama” We are living in the hell this Marxist has created. He clearly is not misguided or incompetent his actions with the economy, foreign policy –- well actually everything he has done has been done to bring America to its knees. I think we all know what each of the issue are as we have lived it.
“Not so Honorable Mentions” Woodrow Wilson perverted Progressive that gave all of Americans value to the Banks of the World and gave us “fiat currency”. FDR which give us further the Welfare State with all his New Deal blah, blah, blah. I understand why his own party began the fight for “Presidental Term Limits” they should have imposed those limits on Congress as well. LBJ for his insane War on Poverty.
America has had many missteps in our History of over 200 years but the fact remain we are still here.
- Federal Reserve
- 16th Amendment
- 17th Amendment
(2) Woodrow Wilson, bringing forth the fed and setting the policies of fiat currency and the disaster that portends in motion, not to mention the whole fiasco of involving us in a foreign war in Europe.
(3) F.D. Roosevelt, for bringing this nation closer than any president (save the most recent) to a socialist oligarchy controlled, run, and espoused by the federal government. Also see the foreign war thing above.
Slavery was already on it's way out, and it's pretty well known that it would not have survived the 1860's regardless of the war - I know, it's not politically correct not to eschew the enslavement of humans, and to assume a tremendous amount of collaborative social guilt over that, but reviewing the documents of the times, even the president of the Confederacy admitted that emancipation would have had to occur before 1870. It was not a popular sentiment, but popular or not, it was reality.
Carter was the first person to take 2 middle eastern tribes that had been historically (hell, biblically) at war for centuries and get them to shake hands. He was handed a raw deal with the Shah, and it was our cozying up with Reza Pahlavi for the decades post WW2 (Who, by the way, was notorious for his secret police, the Savak, and dictatorial fist over his country); a man feared and despised by most of his own countrymen, which brought forth former exiles from Iran (such as one Ruhollah Khomeini) to try to take over once the Shah was close to the end of his days. As soon as he came to America (for treatment), the die was cast and the rift appeared allowing the Iranian Revolution to take place and Khomeini to claim the seat of power. It was the US's undying and absolute support of the former Shah that created the Embassy Crisis, which Carter was stuck with.
My only debate is (God forbid) Hillary gets elected, which would be worse - the socialistic, dictatorial communist anti-American in the White House, or the one that immediately preceded her? Seriously - as much as people abhor Sanders, at least his credibility is there. You know what and who he is, and unlike the others, he's not working his butt off to hide it.
Carters ability consists a. of deceiving himself and b. limited carpentry skills. The kind that pulls out and tosses a nail because the point is on the wrong end for this side of the house.
Carter also made the situation worse.....in Iran and made weakness a national policy.
Classic example of how Democrats cause US casualties and deaths, lose wars, then build monuments to themselves.
He wasn't handed a raw deal he voluntarily ran for office and accepted the responsibility.
Not to mention double digit inflation.
Agree on Savak...you get one point...it's not enough to consider more left wing socialist fascism in the guise of an Independent with no discernible skills of leadership or management unless you want another bumbler like Carter.
On the other hand the right wing of the left is no great shakes either.
The Shah, of course, was put in power by the CIA in 1952 after they assassinated Mossadegh for nationalizing the property of US oil companies in Iran. I have no problem with the US or similar countries doing this; I wish we could still afford to do it today, and take back the loot already seized by the Saudis and others.
As for the Shah being unpopular, I'm sure that was true while he ruled. But I know some immigrants from Iran and they would love to have him back, so they could go home.
"Allowing" third world countries to rob investors is simply accepting their national sovereignty (at least that's how it's worded if you're in favor of it) or is failure to pursue sensible colonialism (if you're not).
The world has always been better off economically during periods when one large empire dominates the world and practices colonialism. But this is only economically possible when the empire has and maintains a big lead in the "arms race" against everybody else. When Rome, and later Britain, and now the US, lost that lead their empires collapsed, and the world went into economic depressions. I bring this up because it is only during one of these periods of colonialism that it's practical to go out and conquer the poor countries -- and even then the conquest won't stick unless you have the moral courage to make them abandon the anti-property-rights cultural views that made them poor.
As far as things having greater value in one place than another -- that is confused thinking. Petroleum has the same worth everywhere, but it's the willingness to allow cars and other consumer goods to be marketed that causes it to be useful here. The residents of Arabia and Persia could have that as easily as we did, but they or their rulers chose not to. The best argument for colonialism is that it enables individuals to make these choices even if the dominant culture in that land disagrees with them.
2. not putting the changes in the Constitution in the addendum at the back putting the changed sections in the back,
3. and a toss up between income tax/and dismantling checks and balances with back to back amendments.
without which the article authors two and three would not have existed.
There is a fourth and that was join with Canada and an easy method. Invade Canada then capitulate. In not so many years we would outvote them. As Allosaur mentioned that should make you laugh...at first.
I just admire Geller's guts as well as her looks.
That's a silly old dino for you.
gutsy 'babe', eh Allosaur??
I'd put Lincoln's Looter War on Liberty, and 1913 (Income tax and the Fed ) instead of Carter and Obama.
As for Income Tax and the Fed, yeah, I have no problem with that replacing Carter.
Then following Lincoln, there came the "Progressives" Woodrow Wilson and FDR. OK, I got it.
That's why I like the Gulch.
Old dino can learn stuff here.
I'll call a Pelosi stupid.
Pamela? No.
To call her misguided or mistaken would have set better with me.
On the other hand, I think he may be right about Lincoln';s impact.
was what did so much damage to free enterprise in
this country. I hope that we will be able to convert
enough people to Objectivism in time to repair it,
and recover what we have lost.
2. not preventing Fed
3. allowing organized religion
Freedom of religion is what initially drove quite a few of Europeans over here.
The Founding Fathers were not Communists.
Our Founding Fathers never would have been our Founding Fathers if they had denied religion in the first place.
We'd still be British subjects maybe.
the Pilgrims ran a communistic society...it failed
the Founding Fathers wanted separation of church and state, yet i am forced to support religion with my property taxes as church property is not taxed...
kings & religions are different sides of the same dictatorial coin...let's complete the revolution and reject religion ...
Which isn't as a part of government. However bear in mind it would be hard to find someone to be in government whose morals, values, and standards are not affected by some form of philosophic or religious training - except for secular progressives who have neither one nor the other.
Christianity grew a tolerant brain thanks mainly due to the Renaissance.
I respect the faiths of Jews, Buddhists and Hindus, especially since none of them do not want to hurt me and can tolerate me for a fact.
There is only one major religion these days with fanatics who want to cut people's heads off. and think blowing themselves up while surrounded by unbelievers is a ticket to heaven.
Renaissance and Enlightenment are two good words to use together but since then..i see no evidence of that. some reall believe separation of church and state is a constitutional right and others believe in balanced budget with a surplus and some beleive businesses pay taxes and others believe a fish needs a bicycle....Probably learned all that in in pubic schools thinking with the little head.
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a. To defray the costs of closing down Guantanamo
b. 200,000 syrians times 680 dollars is 1,360,000,000 million the amount projected for . Obama's retirement home(s) and Presidential storage site. No longer using the word library that is offensive to those who can't read. But all have 18 hole courses.
c. Pay for the cost of dinner dates in Paris or anywhere except Nairobi where rumor has it there may be a bunch of unpaid parking tickets involving another name but they do have prints.
3. Legal fees
4. Cost of ObamaCare premiums
5. Hillary's best offer for a pardon.
6. His accumulated unpaid green fees to date.
7. Have fun it's your turn.
Define tolerance, if you don't mind. Do you mean toleration as approval, or leaving someone alone, though you disagree completely with them?
There was a point in time when Catholics and Protestants stopped shooting cannon balls at each other and found a way to live side by side and get along.
At some point both versions of Christianity quit picking on Jews until Nazis came and went.
There's a passage in the New Testament about encouraging one to be a fisher of men; but should your preaching be rejected, just beat the dust off your sandals and go your merry way. There's nothing about siccing some Inquisition on anyone.
It was the lust for power (and greed) that caused Christianity to become so twisted and quite quickly way back when.
What misguided Christians did a long time ago has nothing to do with modern Christianity.
On the other hand, way too many Muslims behave as they did back in the Middle Ages.
Comparing medieval Christians to modern jihadists is the Obama blather of a recent prayer breakfast.
Anyway, totalitarianism is pretty much frowned on here in the Gulch. So, my suggestion was that you might find more like-minds at those other places. I want everyone to be happy! If, obviously, religion won't make you happy, I suggest you leave others to decide for themselves. However, validation if you feel you need it, you might find elsewhere.
as to "totalitarianism", i refer you to the book by Hannah Arendt under the same title...
others are free to decide whether or not to be religious, but when they band together to force me to support them, that is totalitarianism...organized religion with govt protected rights that infringe on my rights is totalitarianism...
Your focus on organized religion is not on the problem but on a symptom and THAT NEVER solves problems. Your focus on religious groups also says a lot about YOU, not them.
In the meantime, you wish tax-exempt status? Use the criminal tax code as it is written now and start a 503C. Or, go online and pick up one of those certificates that say you are "ordained" and claim tax-exempt status yourself! LOL. Problem solved. If envy.....sorry life gives you lemons, make lemonade! AND STOP COMPLAINING. There's lots of simple wisdom in that silly song, "Don't worry, be happy" you might want to try to emulate. It really does make you attractive to others. But, in the end, get out there and change the tax code with a SMILE on your face. It will also have a magical effect of making you feel happy! BUT STOP ADVOCATING FOR DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, okay? That will only help continue us down the road to tyrannical hell we are currently marching on.
you are hopelessly contradicted...take a course in logic and reason...
There is NO MENTION of a separation of church and state in the United States Constitution! Your left-wing, government-run education has let down many Americans, unfortunately. It is a revision of history, not an actual history education that you received! Time to go back and see where you were duped! And, that's what all left-wingers are, a bunch of mind-numb dupes.
Besides cherry-picking the first amendment which says that government shall make no law “respecting an establishment of religion or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof", you, like many hate-religion, hate-America left-wingers, cannot even make an argument that is based in reality. This US Constitution you seem to believe in is a left-wing "laws and judgments are living and breathing" based on whims and the fads of the day. I'm sorry, I don't happen to believe this society you think you live in is any type of society that can ensure the happiness and prosperity for EVERYONE. You can live in your dream-land, but don't you dare try to impose that on the rest of us!
So, do, please, tell us all where in the Constitution this "separation" exists?
However there is also nothing in the Constitution to allow special exemptions from tax laws or any other laws for religious organizations except seeking protection as a function of a Limited Liability Corporation operating a non-profit corporation etc. etc. etc.
There are and I just posted them a week or so ago 50 popular but false urban myths such as Freedom of Travel that are not in the Constitution. I make a point of calling people on it every time for that is exactly what the far left is doing and then using that as an excuse to get some tame bought and paid for judge to rule creating a one man or woman amendment system. If you are really a Constitutionalist take the time to read the damn thing....
And another new urban myth the Declaration of Independence was not forged by adding a period. No matter what some dimwit Social Sciences Professor thinks. Trouble is the dummy can't punctuate.
You don't like tax exemptions for religious organizations, we ALL get that. However, instead of working to eliminate all taxes (you know, by working to repeal the 16th amendment) that harm our abilities to freely innovate and conduct our lives as we would wish as was originally intended by the Constitution, you dump on religion and religious organizations. Guess you dislike religion more than you dislike taxes. Care to tell us why that would be?
philosophically explain how you get a should from an ought or vice versa...
it is a fundamental question in philosophy...
I was not replying to the main question, I was replying to your statement and issue with religious groups getting tax favors. No tax favors if the 16th Amendment did not happen. Simply a comment, not an argument.
I don't agree with special exemptions for churches or PAC's at the same time I don't agree with any kind of sexism, racism, and religious bigotry especially if it's coming from the government. Which reminds me
No draft exemptions for women!
No more asking racial or ethnic backgrounds on all government forms.
Get rid of apartheid.
Follow the Genghis Khan rule - complete religious freedom with instant execution for religions that try to interfere with government and members of government who violate the first requirement.
The same sentence applied to thieves.
You notice from those statements i consider the government itself to be the Number One proponent of those failings. Physician heal thyself before you hang your shingle and open for business.
In fact, Id find that amusing.
when individuals "organize" in this country to practice their religion, they have demanded tax-free status for their buildings and practices...and have shifted the burden on others..which, in effect, takes my right to the profits of my labor from me..forcing me to support their "organized" religion...forcing me to work for their sake...the current value of religious property in the u.s. is over $1 trillion dollars..
i do not support taxation, but i do not want to support religion that is not taxed as i am...
I would argue all religions are organized, but the extent to which is up for discussion depending on the objective of the religion vs whether some external body has imposed limits upon it for its benefit.
note...i am anti-tax period...but until that time when the tax code is abolished, that will do...
It is hypocritical since the collaboration between church and state occurs here, but they are completely repulsed by it in government schools.
It's understandable that Ms. Geller, who is Jewish, would promote the anti-Iran and anti-Muslim agenda in a Christian advocacy site. Nothing like adding more oil to the fire. One has to admire her firebrand advocacy and skillful spins while deploring her subterfuges.