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Philosophy On One Foot-The Basics of Objectivism by Ayn Rand

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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During the last week, we've had 2 or 3 posts related to Conservatism vs Objectivism. I ran into this brief reply by Ayn Rand when she was asked if she could explain her philosophy while standing on one foot.

Her entire reply is well worth a read, but the last sentence of her reply is exactly on point to the disagreements expressed by some commenters in those referenced posts:

" Which is why philosophy cannot be discussed while standing on one foot—nor while standing on two feet on both sides of every fence. This last is the predominant philosophical position today, particularly in the field of politics."

That reply was in 1962, but still addresses politics today, particularly here in Galt's Gulch. .


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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    -Wishing won’t make it so.
    -You can’t eat your cake and have it, too.
    -Man is an end in himself.
    -Give me liberty or give me death.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Michael; It's been years since I've run into 'mugwump'. I think it's a neat word, but I always thought it meant someone who acted politically as independent.

    Regardless, I'm not sure what you're trying to say in this thread.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    okay, hours later, we have posted it separately here in the gulch
    and it's a "jpg" photo which can be grabbed and printed!

    Thank You, Emma!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Either way all centers are not just valueless way points to somewhere else. Unless you are heading left in that case lock the steering wheel. That's the part I don't agree with the mugwump theory which allows only two viewpoints and belittles those who have a firm grasp as bi-conceptual. My point of view I view them as as sort of floating around with no conception, no cognition, no grasp on reality just blowing in the wind. Another name for center in this case is 'sacred ground' the source of the true power. The Citizens and their Constitution.

    Mugwumping is better put as seizing any opportunity for agreement even though one loses all values in the trade. Doesn't apply.
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  • Posted by $ HeroWorship 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. unfortunately, it is the rule, of which the exception is a rare delight.

    The challenge I personally find is that to pic someone down, you have to establish some SERIOUS common ground. Since few people understand logic, and the majority of those swallowed Kantian premises, they refuse to be pinned - rationality be damned.

    In the 25 years of championing Rand's work, I rarely find it worth my time to do so.
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  • Posted by $ HeroWorship 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As a long time Heinlein fan, I pretty much agree with your characterization. He is no Rand. In fact, his is conservative in the way that you critique Hayek on the limits of rationality.

    While his heroes tend to be rational themselves, and while he champions rationality, it is not rigorous. If he were to say - "humans are ALSO rationalizing animals - and as a betting man, I am not surprised when they use their intelligence to rationalize ..." I think this is a fair statement.

    Most people don't check their premises. Most people blank out. They can start that journey and it is their moral responsibility. And most don't.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I got you, and I do agree. I took Heinlein's comment as being cynical as well. The truth is that I think that there are very few people I have met who live by reason consistently or at all. All that man has accomplished has been done by a few, often while fighting the majority in order to be allowed to accomplish anything at all. Successful living is celebrated less and less in our society.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reason is volitional. Everything man has accomplished is based on his ability to reason, not rationalize. The statement is cynical and ignores all man has accomplished, including the ability of you an I to communicate over great distances instantaneously.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed completely. At least once per month I am challenging previously unacknowledged or unchallenged aspects of my life that I had taken for granted since childhood as self-evident. Master Yoda once said that "You must unlearn what you have learned".
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting. I feel that man should not be a rationalizing animal, but many times he is. Tell me why you disagree. I'm interested.
    Edit:typo
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for the quote. It makes me feel that I'm on the right track. I do love learning in the Gulch! Thank you, Zen.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A good reason to study earlier philosophers, because you will find people making the same arguments, but usually not as well stated.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    K& I tried to listened to a book tape of Heinlein's novel, The moon is a Harsh Mistress. I am not fan. He is a typical libertarian and I strongly disagree with the "rationalizing animal."
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mama; I think you may have the gist of it. I do love Heinlein. Here's what Rand said:

    "If you held these concepts with total consistency, as the base of your convictions, you would have a full philosophical system to guide the course of your life. But to hold them with total consistency—to understand, to define, to prove and to apply them—requires volumes of thought" (emphasis added)
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it's a great constructive, instructive post and I appreciate
    your contributions, sir! -- john
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you bet;;; I might be able to post it. . let me try, later
    this pm -- it's my birthday and I'm headed to my sister's
    place for supper. -- j
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Zen, I remind myself of one of Heinlein's best sayings: "man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal", and I ask myself often in what ways am I rationalizing and not facing reality? I see so many people everyday who perform incredible mental somersaults just in order to avoid reality (or try to), and I look at myself and ask, Am I doing that too? In what ways? I try to pay attention and banish fantasy from my thinking. I think that's what you mean in your comment.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right, and sometimes they just don't realize that they agree. It is fun when you find them at that point. I've been amazed at the looks, first of confusion then of comprehension and some of then disgust and stomping off.

    But almost always I find that they're really spewing words from others and not from their own thoughts or actual comprehension.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm sorry Michael, but I couldn't disagree more. This magic center that others speak of, may well have been one of the most damaging influences to our republic. To me, the center connotates with compromise, and The Constitution as well as Objectivism rejects compromise.

    One of the best ideas of the political spectrum I've seen is of a four (4) sided matrix, with freedom being at one corner vs the others.
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