A world without growth?

Posted by deleted 9 years, 4 months ago to Economics
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This is a bizarre article and is so deliberately perhaps. It would seem to stem from the base assumption that the Industrial Revolution is unsustainable and that there is some "natural state" where human beings stop improving the world and just... blank out. I am not sure if I am upset about the article, or just confused as to how the author could find it in himself to present the anti-industrial perspective as a necessary fate. The quote that comes to mind is one of Peikoff's (about axioms): "[H]e blanks out the fact that he has accepted it by uttering that sentence, that the only way to reject it is to shut one’s mouth, expound no theories and die." The thought that improving life somehow fatalistically produces its antithesis is quite contrary to every fundamental tenet of Objectivism and to common sense Aristotelianism as well. After all, A is A. And knowledge is contextual. We will not, having discovered science and industry, negate it - we can only modify the definition as new information becomes available. I am no economist, but I think it stands to argument that growth is necessary even for a static population to improve its lot. Thoughts?


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago
    If you would like to read some baldfaced PC EcoNazi propaganda that comes with the article, click on "Short Answers to Hard Questions About Climate Change."
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, he's trying to point out the box that the greenies have put themselves in. By insisting on the immediate imposition of present inadequate, inefficient, costly renewable technology, they endorse the resulting economic burden that destroys the opportunity for economic growth. His subsequent argument is that we should seek to use our creative efforts to develop renewable technology that serves to promote growth. Of course, what he doesn't say is that such a policy of development first supports the continued use of carbon-based energy until the new and improved renewable technology is available.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You've made the correct inference that ties his point that zero growth periods in history were marked by savage conflict that slowed regional population growth. The interesting question that results is whether or not there is an unconscious, primal motivation to kill off others to insure one's own survival in periods of limited resources.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago
    I dont have real data to support this, but I would suspect that if there was no population growth, zero growth would be sustainable assuming people didnt want new things. Also for thousands of years, there were occasional plagues that decimated the populations.

    Now, I suspect that there is an exponential growth in world population that would make a no growth proposition very unsustainable.

    Governments have tried to prime the growth pump through printing money and promoting credit, but the piper must be paid for unsustainable growth. It gets paid for by depressions and wars.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
    the man is an idiot!
    first of all the world as we know it is NOT getting warmer, it is cooling. one should never listen to any politician because when ever one opens his/her mouth they are lying. as for consumption declining which i think it is, is because of economic conditions and war. we are involved in a world war at the moment and it is having a negative effect on the economy unless of course you are selling guns and ammo. i hope this guy lives 100 years in good health so he can see he was absolutely wrong
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago
    It's bizarre as the result of attempting to meld two incompatible concepts into one.

    The first is the anti-human and anti-life goals of the Eco-nuts.

    The second is to prioritize current technologies against hydro-carbons instead of halting human population growth and technological progress to reduce carbon.

    In the second scenario, the author neglects to include the possibilities of technological progress and invention, and also accepts human caused climate change as proven and real. He's then trying to be 'a reasonable and sane' client change controller similar to progressive's 'reasonable and sane' gun controllers.
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  • Posted by $ Commander 9 years, 4 months ago
    I always have a curious question. What is "Growth"? Is it volume? is it based on "efficiency"? Is the "growth" "affective"? We use word-symbols in such vaguery and subjective context......I must be the burr under under the saddle.......hoping I'm pardoned for using metaphor.
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  • Posted by $ Commander 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I read the first two lines of your post and hit reply before reading the third......nuff said!
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago
    I think you could fit about 2-dozen angels on the head of a pin, too.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You post many good ones.
    I am cantankerous today ;^)
    ( I can hear the chorus singing "What do you mean, today?")
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  • Posted by tkstone 9 years, 4 months ago
    Although Dale probably does not agree with the main premise of this article, he sure deserves a footnote from his book "Source of Economic Growth" The author clearly buys into the carbon scheme, but believes technology will be the savior. He is right economic growth only comes with innovation, and
    his insight however into the real diehard greenies is spot on. They are clearly the degrowthers and are the ones who are denying reality and somehow think all there trappings of civilization will remain once the engine that made them possible is removed. This author is just beginning to see the light and is trying to justify in his mind that all the mental effort he has put into global warming was a waste. Sorry buddy but A=A
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now and then I dabble into the weird and nonsensical to see if I can tease out the fundamental error. That said, it's noted.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
    Thoughts ...
    The author is an idiot or a propagandist.
    My bet is propagandist.
    This article reeks of false assumptions preached as scientific fact.
    Reading the NYT is a waste of time. Just my opinion, broskjold ;^)
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