$20 million divided by 4800 = $4167 after tax dollars per individual assuming 4800 are all working adults.
Somehow I would a. have trouble believing that survey and b. go looking for a new home. School budgets are routinely vote in by parents of children K-12 and voted against by everyone else.They are keyed to the attitude only while MY Johnny is in school. Add a few who think the school is there to entertain them on Friday nights with sports activities or is viewed as a baby sitting service... And how much did they pay School Perceptions to hoodwink the residents?
Nevertheless The best way to improve education is vote down the budgets and demand academic standards as the price for a yes vote. After all isn't that what the residents are supposed to be purchasing?
Failed systems = Zero funding. It's a carrot and a big mother stick in one package.
Sorry for not replying to any posts against my own submission. I've been away on business travel...again.
My positive thought here (not to take away from the accurate comment from sjatkins) is that such a simple system would reduce the waste in the government system distributing welfare. Milton Friedman showed that the government wastes 60-70% of the funding it gets internally. The concept is a little like a flat fat tax with a zero crossing and negative at some point.
As I've posted before, I prefer the flat-rate/negative tax with a rule that you may not vote in any election if at any time since the prior election you were a net negative contributor.
Of course no welfare is better, but I don't see that as presently sale able to the lemmings with the Warren-esque oligarchian moochers at the helm of the media.
I don't believe for a minute this will result in less HEW government expenditures. In particular the Healthcare related programs are very unlikely to be rolled into this. In the US those costs are growing faster than the rest.
And of course it is ethically repugnant UNLESS once can voluntary opt-in, opt-out.
All of that said I believe we can get to a place technologically where we can meet all the needs and many of the desires of everyone on earth with a small fraction of productive capacity. But we will never ever get there by robbing the productive of working capital.
"Try looking at Ukraine! Most of the food and defiantly the medicines are EU or US price's the average pay.....$150 - $200 a month!" Is your claim that Ukraine could simply pass laws and make the average pay increase tenfold?
That's hearsay. In anything remotely resembling objectivism. So instead of using subjective or non sourced information take a few minutes to do something like the following.....the objective way. That's what we deal with here.
In using the following sites I would not be eating at Mcdonald's on a locals wages but on my retirement i would consider living there. Currently I am expat in yet another country. Quick tip for medical if you have a plan in the USA and it's not Obamacare but military retirement consider DAN Divers Network air medevac at $70-$80 per year from anywhere in the world for any injury or illness not just dive accidents.
Msg at the end in Ukraine language please excuse any errors.
or this one Prices for goods and services increased as the value of hryvnia, the local Ukrainian currency, dropped.
Hryvnia to US Dollars Costs of living in Ukraine increased since 2013.
17 September 2015 Ukrainian Rada approved a raise in the official minimum of the costs of living from 1176 to 1330 hryvnia/month, and the minimum salary from 1218 to 1378 hryvnia/month. The changes will be implemented from 1 December 2015.
Accordingly, the minimum hourly wages changed from 7.29 to 8.25 hryvnia ($0.33 to $0.38 per hour).
Official minimum costs of living for different categories of people (per month):
Children 0-5 years old: 1167 hryvnia ($53) Children 6-17: 1455 hryvnia ($67) Adults 18+: 1374 hryvnia ($63) Disabled: 1074 hryvnia ($49)
However, experts say that the real costs of living in Ukraine is higher than even the newly modified official numbers.
Andrey Vigiringsky, the deputy director of the company “Public Audit”, stated that their calculations were made on the basis of the factual costs of living and inlfation, in order to match the standards of in 2013, reported, reported http://Finance.ua.
According to “Public Audit”, the minimum salary should be 2487 hryvnia/month, and pensions 1938 hryvnia/month. Economist Andrey Martynyuk agrees that the minimum salary should be at least 2,500 hryvnia/month. Kiev’s lawyer Stanislav Batrin believes that the costs of living should be raised to 7,000 hryvnia/month within 3 years.
According to UBS rating released in September 2015, Kiev is the cheapest capital in the world to live in. The report published by the bank states that a family needs $1237/month to get by in the Ukrainian capital, with the further $540 required to pay the rent. (Those numbers are substantially higher than what locals actually live on.) Kiev is also at the bottom of wage charts by UBS.
Local realtors say that the average price for renting a studio apartment in Kiev is around $230/month. Larger apartments will cost more. Regional prices for apartment rent are significantly lower.
or any number of readily available information sources.
I used two not entirely at randomn.
The first one is from a similar couple in 2005. An examination shows the situation has changed but one site claims $50US a week. and gives current and corrected government figures including cost of living per child or adult.
Currently with the hyrvnia at 43.1 to the USD
With the increase of costs in the USA and and the devaluation of the worth of the US Dollar another site would be http://expatarrivals.com to compare and a lot of other information from weather to the least useful McDonalds. Medical being most important as most if not all health supply systems are worth zilch in other countries.
Numbeo provides comparison between target countries and a second third choice country. For example I live well in Mexico but have merchant marine friends in Ukraine. I can compare costs between known situations.
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Milton Friedman also had a great lecture where he explained why a minimum wage is inherently racist, and hurts the people it claims to be trying to help.
Do you mean a school referendum? If so tell that to the people who have children. You know the routine, it is all about the children and you just can't spend enough on my little Johny or Jane. It is quite easy when it is other people's money they are spending.
Last year our school put forth a referendum to the tune of $48 million, in a town of 4200 people. Fortunately it was defeated with 75% against. Then they hire this marketing company to survey voters and the results came out this week in the paper. The headline read "Survey results show Dodgeville School District voters would support $18-20 million referendum.
What's the cost of a meal in India or China? What's the cost of medicine? What's the cost of a cell phone? Your comparison of our overpriced, over inflated phony economy to that of any other country is worthy of one of Lakoff's disciples or what's his face Krugman but it doesn't stand any tests other than spreading propaganda. Try some facts that hold water and then come back and try again. Your statement you defend it..... .
" Look at India or China or one of the other country's where there's no wage laws," You don't think prices are affected by supply and demand? You think a benevolent gov't could take a place where the price of something is $0.75 and make that price $7.50 by passing a law? You think the same buyers and sellers would come together and buy/sell roughly the same amount at ten times the price because it's the law?
It seems to me that our education system is way behind the times. We are stuck on the classroom setting for a number of reasons, most of them due to the unwillingness to change. Or not forced to change because the money keeps rolling in. The internet could be a great tool for learning and it would start to reduce the costs of education and allow the best teachers to earn more money. IMHO government controls are the main reason things don't change.
With out the basic wage law the people who do the work would be paid next to nothing, Look at India or China or one of the other country's where there's no wage laws, Nike pay 30cents an hour to there employee's which include children, Remember this next time you pay $300 for a set of trainers
You aren't the only one who struggles. At this juncture in time, information is basically free for all c/o the internet. We are seeing into a new dimension of education that Europe is already dipping its toe into. My guess is that eventually thought (education) will not come with a price tag but rather with a vetting process. If you can read, process and think and then articulate your conclusions you will achieve "status/respect/compensation"...?
I hear people say that education in Europe is so much better than in America and I struggle to understand how free education is worth anymore than the price paid. I have no experience so I am left to wonder if it is really true. :)
Obviously some people are going to pay more and have their money given to others. As I said, this is not an Objectivist ideal! Presumably, this is already happening with a host of separate programs that have to be individually managed. In the U.S. there are dozens of programs, all with staffs, paperwork, etc. The government even makes giving money away expensive and inefficient!
IDK. My guess: Real teachers (professors) desire to teach without the constant interference of politics. As Newt Gingrich (strangely) stated: "Teaching is a missionary calling". My guess is that enslavement culled the herd of non-teaching professors.
Any time the government reaches into your pocket for money I am against it. Yes, the government needs money for the armed forces and courts to settle disputes but that is it. Cut back all department of ed, epa, lets., and we will be able to cut taxes and raise all boats, not what the government wants you to have.
The 4200 is total population. Subtract children and the number is higher.
Somehow I would a. have trouble believing that survey and b. go looking for a new home. School budgets are routinely vote in by parents of children K-12 and voted against by everyone else.They are keyed to the attitude only while MY Johnny is in school. Add a few who think the school is there to entertain them on Friday nights with sports activities or is viewed as a baby sitting service... And how much did they pay School Perceptions to hoodwink the residents?
Nevertheless The best way to improve education is vote down the budgets and demand academic standards as the price for a yes vote. After all isn't that what the residents are supposed to be purchasing?
Failed systems = Zero funding. It's a carrot and a big mother stick in one package.
My positive thought here (not to take away from the accurate comment from sjatkins) is that such a simple system would reduce the waste in the government system distributing welfare. Milton Friedman showed that the government wastes 60-70% of the funding it gets internally. The concept is a little like a flat fat tax with a zero crossing and negative at some point.
As I've posted before, I prefer the flat-rate/negative tax with a rule that you may not vote in any election if at any time since the prior election you were a net negative contributor.
Of course no welfare is better, but I don't see that as presently sale able to the lemmings with the Warren-esque oligarchian moochers at the helm of the media.
And of course it is ethically repugnant UNLESS once can voluntary opt-in, opt-out.
All of that said I believe we can get to a place technologically where we can meet all the needs and many of the desires of everyone on earth with a small fraction of productive capacity. But we will never ever get there by robbing the productive of working capital.
Is your claim that Ukraine could simply pass laws and make the average pay increase tenfold?
That's hearsay. In anything remotely resembling objectivism. So instead of using subjective or non sourced information take a few minutes to do something like the following.....the objective way. That's what we deal with here.
In using the following sites I would not be eating at Mcdonald's on a locals wages but on my retirement i would consider living there. Currently I am expat in yet another country. Quick tip for medical if you have a plan in the USA and it's not Obamacare but military retirement consider DAN Divers Network air medevac at $70-$80 per year from anywhere in the world for any injury or illness not just dive accidents.
Msg at the end in Ukraine language please excuse any errors.
For example you could have cited, sourced knowledge making it first hand such as it is found at
http://www.ukraine.com/forums/moving/...
or gone to http://numbeo.com for up to date volunteered information
or http://ukrainianweek.com
or this one Prices for goods and services increased as the value of hryvnia, the local Ukrainian currency, dropped.
Hryvnia to US Dollars Costs of living in Ukraine increased since 2013.
17 September 2015 Ukrainian Rada approved a raise in the official minimum of the costs of living from 1176 to 1330 hryvnia/month, and the minimum salary from 1218 to 1378 hryvnia/month. The changes will be implemented from 1 December 2015.
Accordingly, the minimum hourly wages changed from 7.29 to 8.25 hryvnia ($0.33 to $0.38 per hour).
Official minimum costs of living for different categories of people (per month):
Children 0-5 years old: 1167 hryvnia ($53)
Children 6-17: 1455 hryvnia ($67)
Adults 18+: 1374 hryvnia ($63)
Disabled: 1074 hryvnia ($49)
However, experts say that the real costs of living in Ukraine is higher than even the newly modified official numbers.
Andrey Vigiringsky, the deputy director of the company “Public Audit”, stated that their calculations were made on the basis of the factual costs of living and inlfation, in order to match the standards of in 2013, reported, reported http://Finance.ua.
According to “Public Audit”, the minimum salary should be 2487 hryvnia/month, and pensions 1938 hryvnia/month. Economist Andrey Martynyuk agrees that the minimum salary should be at least 2,500 hryvnia/month. Kiev’s lawyer Stanislav Batrin believes that the costs of living should be raised to 7,000 hryvnia/month within 3 years.
According to UBS rating released in September 2015, Kiev is the cheapest capital in the world to live in. The report published by the bank states that a family needs $1237/month to get by in the Ukrainian capital, with the further $540 required to pay the rent. (Those numbers are substantially higher than what locals actually live on.) Kiev is also at the bottom of wage charts by UBS.
Local realtors say that the average price for renting a studio apartment in Kiev is around $230/month. Larger apartments will cost more. Regional prices for apartment rent are significantly lower.
http://elenasmodels.com some sort of dating site with economics added.
or any number of readily available information sources.
I used two not entirely at randomn.
The first one is from a similar couple in 2005. An examination shows the situation has changed but one site claims $50US a week. and gives current and corrected government figures including cost of living per child or adult.
Currently with the hyrvnia at 43.1 to the USD
With the increase of costs in the USA and and the devaluation of the worth of the US Dollar another site would be http://expatarrivals.com to compare and a lot of other information from weather to the least useful McDonalds. Medical being most important as most if not all health supply systems are worth zilch in other countries.
Numbeo provides comparison between target countries and a second third choice country. For example I live well in Mexico but have merchant marine friends in Ukraine. I can compare costs between known situations.
Dobryden Druzhyna Jetmec. Wait a minute..
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There are companies that school districts contract with that specialize in selling referendums.
Check out http://www.schoolperceptions.com/Comm...
Last year our school put forth a referendum to the tune of $48 million, in a town of 4200 people. Fortunately it was defeated with 75% against. Then they hire this marketing company to survey voters and the results came out this week in the paper. The headline read "Survey results show Dodgeville School District voters would support $18-20 million referendum.
You don't think prices are affected by supply and demand? You think a benevolent gov't could take a place where the price of something is $0.75 and make that price $7.50 by passing a law? You think the same buyers and sellers would come together and buy/sell roughly the same amount at ten times the price because it's the law?
At this juncture in time, information is basically free for all c/o the internet.
We are seeing into a new dimension of education that Europe is already dipping its toe into. My guess is that eventually thought (education) will not come with a price tag but rather with a vetting process. If you can read, process and think and then articulate your conclusions you will achieve "status/respect/compensation"...?
I hear people say that education in Europe is so much better than in America and I struggle to understand how free education is worth anymore than the price paid. I have no experience so I am left to wonder if it is really true. :)
My guess: Real teachers (professors) desire to teach without the constant interference of politics.
As Newt Gingrich (strangely) stated: "Teaching is a missionary calling".
My guess is that enslavement culled the herd of non-teaching professors.
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