Healthy vs unhealthy work ethic.

Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 4 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I have been working since I was a kid. My parents instilled in me a belief that if I worked hard and saved that everything would work out. While my wife and I enjoy a nice lifestyle I have already worked more years than most government employees need to retire. Due to downturns in the economy over the years and some bad investments on my part I am no where near retirement. In my neighborhood I see people who make a lot more than I do and work a lot less. I am wondering if my work ethic is misguided or unhealthy. As a retailer I am working 7 days a week during the Christmas season at an average of about 65 hours a week. Dagny and Hank worked long, hard hours and benefited financially from their labors. Eddie Willers worked long, hard hours but probably made a fraction of what Dagny did. Eddie continued to work even after Dagny knew all was lost. Did he have an unhealthy work ethic? Do I?


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree on your working holidays. That's where a good deal of the overtime is made and these days $$$ are the true meaning of most of the events. I'd rather be on the receiving end or treat the event as it's meant to be treated. Christmas as a religious event and boxing day as a day for the kids. July 4th as a remembrance of history.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks Rich. Yeah...I'm ready for a little "global warming". Based on what I've seen, firsthand, out fishing the last couple years the Pacific has been very warm. Let's hope it kicks in.

    I daydream about sleeping. That's a sign, huh? This morning the daydream took place in a bunch of blankets in front of the fireplace. Haha...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks, It's interesting, what you just expressed is that it just might be your essence to do what you do because of what you get out of it...now figure out how to cash in on what you get out of it.
    I get the time thing, Maybe, you can have your cake and eat it too. Involve the things your missing with the things you would miss. Maybe having family involved and do business as if this was your time off, your customers are just friends stopping by to say hi. Have others carry out the business transactions. Maybe? Just a thought.

    Since 2009 I have worked every holiday, I have come to make that time at work, part of my holiday...I actually look forward to it. Like you, my work is about people and providing values. I just changed the way I celebrate and I think I like it better than the old ways.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Best of luck Carl. I think like this every Christmas season. Too bad I can't take one Christmas off to see if I'd like it. I'm guessing I'd miss what I do too much.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Health is very important Abaco. I hope you start to relax some. I'm looking forward to the quiet after the New Year. Global warming skipped us the last 2 years. Hoping we get a mild winter.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 4 months ago
    Way too many variables to arrive at a definitive answer. Some might say...work smart, not hard but I also think it depends upon your chosen vocation and it's relationship to all the things, (regulations, things that effect the end user; etc) that govern success.
    Some vocations are more profitable than others regardless of how good someone is at doing them.
    One might just resolve to say "That's just the way the cookie crumbles". However, knowing this, is there some way inwhich to take advantage of this and turn it into profit?

    Worth thinking about. Don't feel bad...I've been thinking the same things. That's why I am transitioning into something, hopefully more satisfying And profitable.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago
    Man...this is the eternal question.

    I also work very hard, about 65-70 hours/week. I am not rich. But, I do OK. For me, a key is investing money before the wife blows it. All part of proper money management.

    Dagny and Hank were both lucky and hard-working. I know some very wealthy people who were just lucky - most of those just born into money. I know one guy who lives in an incredible palace of a home overlooking the lake (most incredible home I've ever seen that's still lived in). I've known the guy for years but I have no idea what he does for a living...I'm starting to think he doesn't work at all.

    For the rest of us mortals there are a few keys to pay attention to. Start investing and saving very early in life. Really sacrifice. Learn all you can about finance and business. Avoid debt you don't really need. Work hard.

    As this year rolls to an end I am going to dedicate myself to working less, starting soon. I'm doing well because I have been working like a maniac. But, I'm killing myself with my workload, it's clear. I know of some very successful people who really look like crap and I've decided to make my health a higher priority than it has been.

    Also, realize that the Reardens of the world have taken big risks to get there. Also, many of them have massive failures in their past. They just refused to give up.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Keep your eye on the ball, shoulder to the wheel and nose to the grindstone. No matter how much it hurts no pain no gain. Now try to work in that position.

    Some of the time is far better than those who use it but don't apply it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I solved that problem for myself and a number of others in the late eighties and early 90's. Everything was based on numbers of employees and number of hours. My partner and I first reduced the number we were store that built systems for home or small business use so that helped others they could afford a leased system far easier than the costs of an employee. Then we set up some people in a local outsourcing business who went from small business to small business, but in the end 'i sold out and the partner, keeping all our regular clients moved to direct support out of his home. The employees went to the employment office.

    That was from eight full time and a dozen part time down to zero. With cell phones coming into play and later wifi that part of the world was flat.

    The cost that killed the retail portion in the end was the disabled employees insurance which featured a huge up front lump sum payment. Monthly wasn't bad it was the buy in to the State requirement.

    The second cost was renovation for example to get to my office up one flight they wanted access for disabled. Instead of a local store that had office supplies, copiers, computer supplies and a mail box etc. operation the area got a 30 to 50 mile drive. The part time staff originally was computers a T9 phone system and running test order call ins for TV and radio marketing.

    That and a stint at insurance was after army retirement and before returning to the merchant marine with a few other adventures thrown in. I figured selling out not only gave me a 8 month sailing and scuba vacation on OPB's it cut my work week to zero hours a week. After that I worked exclusively for other people usually two jobs at a time as the 30 hour week or go elsewhere was becoming more popular. From there I went to sea commercially and worked for the most part eight months a year but from Rich's comment and my sisters reports from Florida I see the government has no intentions of expanding jobs....at least this government. Next thing will be an attack extending requirements for the 20 hour week. the you all can have three jobs or maybe four and both parents will have to work.. just to pay the taxes and buy groceries.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only Howard Roark and John Galt were perfect and they never existed, except in the mind of A.R. and she wasn't perfect either. I look at Objectivism as something to aspire to, and I succeed, most of time. But sometimes...
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I always feel like I can do things more efficiently. I live in Pennsylvania and the one thing that seems certain is our taxes are going up. We may go from a 7% sales tax to 8.25%. Our State is badly mismanaged so any extra profit I squeeze out a portion will go to the low life's running it. Good luck in 2016 CG.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was just thinking the other day that we had hoped to have a couple more full time employees by this time. If the Government would quit passing laws to help workers then maybe I could afford to hire them.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes but you still live and work in what we used to call Appalachia West. I left and live in FNA. You are well advised to smile and say nothing which shows uncommonly good sense. I meant brave as in going to the function in the first place. Congratulations.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Examples please. "Well meaning laws for starters." Like confining the ballot to only candidates from the left? How about forcing loans to those with zero credit rating and no incomes? Now that was the rich that did that. Barney Frank, Thomas Dodd to name two. How about changing the regulations required by banks and then changing them again so those forced bad loan results were valued differently. That was the rich from places like Bank America in league with the rich mentioned above with other rich like Pelosi and of course signed off on by the Rino In Chief. How about forced use of ethanol to buy votes in the midwest and enrich the rich agricorps? Damn that was the same leftist rich again. Rinos to Dinos...every one. How about laundering tax dollars into campaign contributions with the aid of rich union leaders? But you probably were referring to some other 'well meaning' laws so let's get them all out into the light of day and then we can both ask the critical question...Why are supporting these rich well meaning ha ha hand selected for another go round. Seriously keep working. After the next dollar devaluation your current retirement earnings are going to be worth about half of your current estimates.

    Thank God and Greyhound for Walmart and the Dollar Stores.

    Just keep working...the end is nowhere in sight and it's just begun. Hell we're not even through this first 'Great Recession' part II is about to begin. I've got twenty years less of it to deal with than you. So there is a light at the end of one kind of tunnel. But yours is an extra two decades of no choice elections and more 'well meaning laws.' Spare me. There is nothing well meaning about any of it.

    Just looters and enablers.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago
    Unequal outcomes are reality, and only become a problem when the rich enact well-meaning laws that make it impossible for the poor to get homes and other necessities at prices they can afford. There is nothing wrong with you just because you don't have as much as the other guy.

    I'd say as long as you keep working for as long as you need to, and avoid traps such as taking charity, there is nothing wrong with your work ethic.

    All this applies to me, too. I'm over 50 and not half as wealthy as I hoped I'd be now when I was 25, but as long as I can work I'm not done yet!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It doesn't matter which you choose so long as it is the right thing for you.I sometimes find myself slipping into making a decision because I want to please others. Even when that decision is right, it's wrong.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    The cliche of "work smarter, not harder" is true. If what you're doing involves long hours for no money, you have to try something different, some new way to serve customers more efficiently. I have no idea how execute that; I'm struggling with this issue too.

    I think it's very good that an alarm is going off in your mind saying this current arrangement isn't working. The sense of something being wrong is not due to other people earning more money or working less by milking corporations or the gov't. Instead I suspect it's because you sense there's some better way to do it, but you haven't found it yet.

    I'm approaching this by making some changes in 2016 and spending some money on new processes that may or may not work, but it won't be fatal if they don't work. Just trying something new gives me energy.

    IMHO it's a very healthy work ethic that urges you to work long and hard but sounds an alarm if you're busting your bottom for something that earns decent money but doesn't build long-term value.
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  • Posted by dukem 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not so. You expose your self and your thoughts publicly. I do not. Therein lies the rub.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder what they would think of one of their former greatest exports thinking of them with that name. I speak of course not of lumber but of high school seniors. Ah well. You are braver than I.
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  • Posted by dukem 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Close, but not cigar.
    At a party tonight with liberals who are congratulatory on moving to Portland with the culture and politics. Jeez, now it begins. Thank all of you for the Gulch and the sanity it provides. I read it every day. It keeps me alive.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks John. I enjoy it. Get some interesting intros here. Comforting to know there are more of us out there.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Never too much Herb. Seems strange that I'm in the retail business and I hate to spend money. I buy what I have to and go to dinner occasionally but no frivolous spending. Wonder if I'll retire or Shrug?
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