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Open Carry vs. Racism

Posted by nsnelson 9 years, 4 months ago to Legislation
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I've been contemplating a parallel between some new gun debates and Rand's essay on Racism. Texas passed new legislation to allow licensed open carry of handguns. For years now, I have been licensed to carry concealed wherever permitted. I do not intend to open carry, but I support the liberty to choose whether one carries concealed, openly, or not at all. But the ignorance surrounding this new legislation is astounding. The legislators who passed it displayed irrationality and fear-mongering (I watched them debate the bill). The opponents and local media are increasing the spread of ignorance and fear. But I'm particularly disappointed with average people who supported the legislation.

I have been a member of two Facebook groups: Open Carry Texas, and Texas Carry. Both made amazing strides in getting this legislation passed, even overcoming opposition by the NRA. But now roughly half of the group members are upset that so many local stores (e.g., grocery stores) are posting signs legally prohibiting open carry on their premises. Many open carry supporters are now saying this is a violation of their second amendment rights, and now they want to pursue legislation that requires these stores to allow open carry.

Never mind that the 2A is a limit on the Government, not on private businesses. Never mind that private property rights are the foundation of liberty, and even of our right of self-defense (and the tools of self-defense). Some of these people are making the comparison between the bakers (etc.) who have been sued for refusing certain products to certain homosexual events, saying that stores should not be allowed to discriminate against those who want to exercise their second amendment rights. That's right: they want to make open carriers a protected class.

The other half of the group members (myself included) seem to recognize the importance of private property rights. But it is Facebook, the land of misinformation, of not addressing arguments, of anonymous name-calling, and of never convincing anyone. It's just frustrating to watch, and I needed to share this with people who understand.

Anyway, it reminded me of Rand's treatment of racism. What she said very aptly applies to this debate: some on the pro-gun side started by appealing to individual rights in order to be allowed to open carry, now they want to violate the rights of private business owners.

“One of the worst contradictions, in this context, is the stand of many so-called ‘conservatives’ (not confined exclusively to the South) who claim to be defenders of freedom, of capitalism, of property rights, of the Constitution, yet who advocate racism at the same time. They do not seem to possess enough concern with principles to realize that they are cutting the ground from under their own feet. Men who deny individual rights cannot claim, defend or uphold any rights whatsoever.”

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  • Posted by gilmorehome 9 years, 3 months ago
    Vote with you pocket book. First, don't go into any place public or private that does not respect individual rights, and then let them know that they are no longer your shopping vendor. Support the enterprises that share and respect your individual rights! Happy New Year 2016 Everyone : )
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not opposed to open carry for two reasons.
    One reason is unselfish and the other is very selfish.
    The unselfish reason is that I believe anyone who is not a convicted felon or a mental case should have the freedom to open carry.
    The very selfish reason is that the open carry person will be the first target, allowing me time to pull my pocket pistol.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
    First they came for the privately owned gold, and I did not speak out—
    Because I had no gold.

    Then they came for the Separatists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Separatist.

    Then they came for the Branch Davidians, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Branch Davidian.

    Then they came for the registered gun owners, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a registered gun owner.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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  • Posted by DavidRawe 9 years, 3 months ago
    If a person open carries yes it is a visual deterent, but also has its own set of risks. I prefer conceal because a potential perp will never know if folks are armed or not.
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  • Posted by mspalding 9 years, 3 months ago
    It makes sense that private property trumps someone's sensibilities. And that I have a right to interact with whomever I chose. But is it okay for a bar to ban Blacks? If I was Black, I wouldn't want to give my money to a business that was racist. But are we okay with businesses banning Blacks, Gays, Folks w/guns, etc.?
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 4 months ago
    Open carry here in Oklahoma was put in place to stop all the 9-1-1 calls about "brandishing" from people who felt concealed carry should mean the gun shouldn't be seen, even when a coat is accidentally lifted. It irritates me at how counterproductive the open carry crowd is when they parade around with military weapons hanging all over themselves in locations that inevitably create a spectacle. I put them in the same category as gays who feel a desperate need to make a public display, with groups of near-naked men slobbering all over each other. Those public nuisances aren't to promote a cause, but to rub their ability to cause discomfort in everyone's faces. Both groups seek a negative reaction in order to "win", and harbor the delusion they're serving justice.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, as a reductio ad absurdum, I agree. The problem is most of these guys don't see it as absurd. If they were just saying this for the sake of argument, to show that even liberal logic if followed consistently would support open carry. But most of the people making this argument are not just arguing hypothetically. They really do want to use the Big Government guns to force people to allow them to openly carry guns. Rather than take the "if you can't beat'em, join'em" approach, they ought to take a step back, and see that they are pulling the ground out from under themselves. Rather than argue for more "protected classes," they ought to argue for a private property owner's right to discriminate.

    Most people here know this. It's like a breath of fresh air.
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  • Posted by SBilko 9 years, 4 months ago
    I think the parallel between wedding cakes and open carry is apt. A business owner should beable to legally refuse either one. However, our country is being run by pragmatists who want to regulate based on personal preference and emotion, not logic. So I can feel the open carriers' frustttatin.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like my big ole Taurus Tracker 357. Great gun.

    Trying to buy a carry gun but it's hard around here. There are long lines at the gun stores. I think the next jihadists who tries to pull off a San Bernadino incident may have bad luck.
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  • Posted by dmshuler 9 years, 4 months ago
    This is one of the most interesting contradictions in the debate about "individual rights," I think. Thanks for providing some mental chewing gum for me today. It seems to me that our government has gotten so far outside of the powers delegated to it by the Constitution that the "individual" has become a group instead. (I think Abaco nailed that.) It's sad.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I use a medium frame myself the N frame is a bit too large for my hand. As for pistols the M1911A1 was perfect.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago
    That's interesting nsnelson. As long as one can grab victim status in America they can get what they want. That's the framework we've established here. Don't these dummies understand that a business owner should be able to choose their clients? Nope. Too advanced a concept.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    Some politicians and commentators benefit from a battle of whether gov't will force people to work with gays or people openly carrying guns. Fundraising letters and opinion pieces on these topics are more attention-getting than talking about reducing gov't force in all areas.
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