They tore down my high school. So, I get a letter extolling the wonders of the past and urging me to attend a class reunion to all surviving graduates. My high school was better than most for a lot of reasons in that it was one of the first magnet schools specializing in kids with certain talents in arts and science. Why should I delude myself into believing how wonderful it was? It was hell on a number of levels. Did I want to re-experience it? I curtly refused. I'll bet that if most of the alumni were honest they wouldn't see a rosy past, but a prevue of of purgatory.
Perhaps oversimplified, but I agree with the article. We had hope, real hopes and dreams, not something the government promised us. We had time to play and learn to grow up. We were not little adults, but we did NOT feel perpetually entitled to be treated as helpless kids either. We learned to respect adults and to emulate those we felt worthy. How many babies die now, from abortion, is that somehow better than sickness of years past! No one said using the progression of science to stay healthy was bad, but overusing it to suit drug companies might be. ADHD is the trend of the century, and our daughter was almost caught in that Rx trap, when the school wanted her on Ritalin. Her doctor came to the rescue when he found numerous allergies were the cause of the restless inattention, not ADHD. One has to proceed with caution with the drug establishment. Child molestation did exist, but it still does, likely worse. Somehow, teaching the kids to be afraid of all things grownup seems not to have stopped it. We were free, free to make decisions based on reason. We also were free to live with the consequences of our actions. Today, schools teach kids they are entitled and have freedoms, with no strings. When they find out years later that is not true, they then have no self esteem. They were not told that self respect comes with trying and accepting responsibility. I had a bike and a horse, no helmet, no "be careful", risk was part of life. I only almost died from pneumonia which was almost sealed with penicillin allergy! So much for modern meds.We were taught in church to help the poor, but the poor then were actually not on welfare. We were taught to offer help while not stealing their dignity. The one school propaganda of those days was to love the UN, and we grew up to reason how bad an idea that was. Now, the kids are discouraged from even thinking for themselves, without checking it with equally uneducated peers! Teachers were educated in subjects not the theory of education. The IQ in this country has dropped, making it even harder for them to reason. I still agree, we had the best movies (40s-60s) without all the tech advances. We had music with real musicians from Glen Miller, to Ella Fitzgerald, to Elvis and the Beatles. Now we have street thugs making millions and pushing gangsta rap on white suburban youth, Call that an improvement? We read J.F. Cooper and Alcott at 9 and Orwell and Pasternak in high school. We read Rand in college. How many kids today have the attention span and the understanding to make it through those books? Yet that is one way we learned about the world of thought. I enjoy my computer very much, but the distilled communication of texting is not relating. Back in the day, kids learned to converse in person. We were never blind to the illegal acts of politicians seeking power, but now they are in your face entitled to that power. In college we studied the science of weather, not the politics of so-called climate change. We knew the climate changed, always had, even before industry. I just am seeing too many young disillusioned adults failing to leave home, turning to alcohol or drugs, to mask the discouragement and fear they feel when what they have been taught to expect does not fit reality to which .politicians have led them to think they are entitled. At 16, my dad informed me as a female, I would have to be better than a man applying for a job - okay, I could do that. I am 68, and glad I had the parents and teachers who made me see life could be hard, but we always have choices.
You gotta be closer to my age. My routine: Get home by 3:30. Disappear until 6:00. What happens in the neighborhood, stays in the neighborhood unless it bleeds and needs a bandage.
I must be the generation before yours. We did take the doctors word -- after all, he was the one with the medical education, and he could write prescriptions. Otherwise, your experience and mine, were pretty different. (See post).
When I was a pre-teen kid, there was one rule: Supper's at six. We played, ran, fought, made-up, and generally got dirty, bruised, and scratched up. There were friends, bullies and wierdos. There was a kid who fed a neighbors pet bird to a cat. We played in the street. Be careful on Halloween or your new car might get covered shredded paper, glued there with home-made paste. Still, with all that, the neighborhood produced Doctors, scientists, politicians, police, musicians, plumbers, and bicycle repairmen. No parents bothered to take their kids out of the cellophane. They came already working and were taught right and wrong by experience (You should have known better, were you raised in a barn?).
Lots of fantasy and generalizations, or maybe the author lived a more sheltered life than I did as a child. My father once noted that with the advancement of medicine, survival of the fittest no longer was the rule. As he so quaintly put it (usually after seeing an example of a not so bright individual) "the culls are breeding."
There is an element of society that has had entirely too much influence recently, obsessing about protecting our young to an absurd degree ("Microaggressions?" PLEASE!). The real world can still be brutal, and we do our children no favors by excessive attempts to shield them from reality.
My offspring are still amazed at my attitude that life is a gamble, and that fear obstructs reward more often than it avoids danger. I blew a million dollars on a space tourism venture, failed, and moved on. The lesson I hope they take from my attitude is that a life spent in avoiding risk is a life only half lived. There's more to existence than just survival.
mikemarotta, I believe you basically missed Jon's point probably because you are not of my generation; 74 years of age. He wrote about the 40's and 50's which was my youth. I suspect you are not that old so you had a much different experience growing up. Then you found Ayn Rand which is a POSITIVE but picking out an quote here and there is being unnecessarily picky. Just take his observation of what his life was like and accept that this is how he saw things and remember that those of us from 60 and older do remember the times as he has written. It is a subject that comes up for me with people of my generation and we all agree what followed us are generations who do not know the freedoms that we had. It is unfortunate because it has been the generations that have followed who have made the difference. Maybe you are of one of the following generations.
Despite some of the comments below, I pretty much agree with the article. It may be good old days thinking and totally irrelevant in todays screwed up world, but that world was much better.
Today the bullies in positions of power in government scarcely try to hide their lack of ethics. The presumed morality of the culture 50 years ago had a profound effect of slowing the looters of liberty. When we were much younger we didn't have the experience to recognize the con game that the fedgov gangsters were imposing, but in some part the con had to be less obvious then because of the expectation of ethics by the naive public For Galt's sake, 98% of voters still haven't recognized the con today. Fedgov/NWO propaganda is even more effective today than it was 50 years ago.
I am not going to contradict every line. The main point, for me, here, is that the "good old days" were not. We had a child molester in my neighborhood. Much later, working in software development, a woman told me about one in hers - in Alabama in the 1950s. When she told the story, she expressed her surprise and dismay, as if Alabama in the 1950s was a perfectly moral place. In criminology, we say that crime knows no neighborhood. In other words, crime is not limited to some place, but is every place.
"We got sick we recovered. We were stronger than kids are now." Actually, the strong survived, not much else. Babies died before age 6. Generally, the longer you live, the better your chances of living longer. When we say that life expectancy was 35, we are averaging infant mortality into it. Children died of childhood diseases before the acceptance of vaccination.
"We didn’t ask for much protection and we weren’t given much, and we survived" Because no one speaks for the dead.
"There was no talk about the needs of the group. When we went to school, we weren’t told about ways we could help others." Yes, there was, in many ways, in home, church and school. In my elementary school (1955-1960), we sang songs about giving for the community chest (later "Red Feather") drives.
"When we played games..." It was pretty interesting in the 6th grade when the gym teacher explained that baseball was a girls' game. (See Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.)
There was far less whispering and gossip. There were fewer cliques Baloney. In 1959, you had to be just as cool as James Dean or someone would knock your books out of your hand on the way to class.
There was no compulsion to “share.” Oh, yes, indeed, there was (see above). Otherwise, Ayn Rand would not have challenged 2500 years of ethical philosophy.
"School wasn’t some kind of social laboratory..._" You just did not realize it. School was always about that.
"We still don’t take every word a doctor says as coming from God." Granted that, now that I am an adult. Nonetheless, I would not be alive had I not had heart surgery in 1956 -- but, then, I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, where medical science was (and is) a significant industry.
OK, I get that. My grandmother had five children, three in the country and two in the city. The oldest three were fine. The youngest two had all of the childhood diseases; and among those, my uncle had polio. I believe that breast-feeding to age three had a lot to do with the health of my eldest aunts and uncle. Just being in the country is only the general environment, necessary but not sufficient.
MM says: 'It is not so much that children act like adults, but that adults are still children.'
Yes, and as Bronowski observes immaturity assists learning. There is a problem tho' as in uni students wanting safe spaces, and mid-twenties living off parents or welfare rather than moving to another town to get a job. Now this is fine if they are children, which as they demonstrate they are. But they want the vote and they tell us we are destroying the planet. So, I advocate raising the voting age to 25, or 45.
"But once upon a time, when we were young, we were free. We didn’t take any shots, and when we got sick we recovered. We were stronger than kids are now. ........There were no childhood “conditions” like ADHD or Bipolar, and we certainly didn’t take any brain drugs. The idea of a kid going to a psychiatrist would have been absurd."
Anybody want to meet me in person and buy me a beer, I'll fill you in on this.
Boxcar Kids is one I remember. I mostly remember wanting to grow up so I leave. Once I left I had to learn to act like an adult. After a two years in college I figured out that was not the place. Watching the veterans and talking with them and having the draft to face anyway I took a short summer job checked out the possibilities and joined the Army primarily because I wanted to shake some left over adolescent fears. Height was one of them snakes were another. Secondary because the Marine Recruiter was out for lunch or some other perfectly valid reason. Stuck my head in the door and said, "I want be a paratrooper." The guy looked at me smiled and said, "come here fish" and made a hooked finger in the mouth gesture. We both understood each other perfectly.
A few days later I was on the way to Basic Training, Infantry Training and Jump School....It was a love hate relationship. I loved the job and the training, forgot about heights and snakes (for a while) turned down OCS and asked for an infantry assignment with 11 Air Assault Test...later they became First Cavalry and were not taking many new people as they knew they were going to war. One infantry tour later I was back for the snakes....and actually ate one.
My parents never accepted my career path....and blamed it on everyone but themselves. See I learned early to despise hypocrites. Although there are plenty everywhere one goes. I often how things would have turned out had I accepted OCS earlier on as a basically raw recruit trainee OR had the Marine Recruiter been in his office. 24 years with a break in service later but with reserve status I retired. And continued to go my own way. I place a lot of the credit on an imperfect understanding of some dude named John Galt and a book that was always in my luggage.
So.....three retirements later.....I'm shrugging from FNA. I still don't eat snakes nor creamed corn.
All very open to discussion and much of it questionable. Let me suggest that when we were kids we did not sigh sadly for the good old days.
Just one point for now: "Kids never acted like little adults. They didn’t dress like adults. They didn’t want to be fake adults."
In point of fact, "youth culture" is a recent invention of the Baby Boomer generation. Historically, there was little differentiation between children and adults, though every society does have some rites of passage, including those for the transition to adulthood. (Bar Mitzvah is a common example.) If you read the "Horatio Alger" stories from the late 19th century, you find children of 12 holding jobs, living on their own.
It is not so much that children act like adults, but that adults are still children. And it can be a good thing. NEOTENY is the retention into adulthood of immature characteristics and it is a survival trait. In The Ascent of Man Jacob Bronowski has a chapter on "The Long Childhood." Of course, not everything about grown-ups acting like kids is good.
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We had hope, real hopes and dreams, not something the government promised us. We had time to play and learn to grow up. We were not little adults, but we did NOT feel perpetually entitled to be treated as helpless kids either. We learned to respect adults and to emulate those we felt worthy. How many babies die now, from abortion, is that somehow better than sickness of years past! No one said using the progression of science to stay healthy was bad, but overusing it to suit drug companies might be.
ADHD is the trend of the century, and our daughter was almost caught in that Rx trap, when the school wanted her on Ritalin. Her doctor came to the rescue when he found numerous allergies were the cause of the restless inattention, not ADHD. One has to proceed with caution with the drug establishment. Child molestation did exist, but it still does, likely worse. Somehow, teaching the kids to be afraid of all things grownup seems not to have stopped it. We were free, free to make decisions based on reason. We also were free to live with the consequences of our actions. Today, schools teach kids they are entitled and have freedoms, with no strings. When they find out years later that is not true, they then have no self esteem. They were not told that self respect comes with trying and accepting responsibility. I had a bike and a horse, no helmet, no "be careful", risk was part of life. I only almost died from pneumonia which was almost sealed with penicillin allergy! So much for modern meds.We were taught in church to help the poor, but the poor then were actually not on welfare. We were taught to offer help while not stealing their dignity. The one school propaganda of those days was to love the UN, and we grew up to reason how bad an idea that was. Now, the kids are discouraged from even thinking for themselves, without checking it with equally uneducated peers! Teachers were educated in subjects not the theory of education. The IQ in this country has dropped, making it even harder for them to reason. I still agree, we had the best movies (40s-60s) without all the tech advances. We had music with real musicians from Glen Miller, to Ella Fitzgerald, to Elvis and the Beatles. Now we have street thugs making millions and pushing gangsta rap on white suburban youth, Call that an improvement? We read J.F. Cooper and Alcott at 9 and Orwell and Pasternak in high school. We read Rand in college. How many kids today have the attention span and the understanding to make it through those books? Yet that is one way we learned about the world of thought. I enjoy my computer very much, but the distilled communication of texting is not relating. Back in the day, kids learned to converse in person. We were never blind to the illegal acts of politicians seeking power, but now they are in your face entitled to that power. In college we studied the science of weather, not the politics of so-called climate change. We knew the climate changed, always had, even before industry. I just am seeing too many young disillusioned adults failing to leave home, turning to alcohol or drugs, to mask the discouragement and fear they feel when what they have been taught to expect does not fit reality to which .politicians have led them to think they are entitled. At 16, my dad informed me as a female, I would have to be better than a man applying for a job - okay, I could do that. I am 68, and glad I had the parents and teachers who made me see life could be hard, but we always have choices.
My routine: Get home by 3:30. Disappear until 6:00. What happens in the neighborhood, stays in the neighborhood unless it bleeds and needs a bandage.
We did take the doctors word -- after all, he was the one with the medical education, and he could write prescriptions. Otherwise, your experience and mine, were pretty different. (See post).
There is an element of society that has had entirely too much influence recently, obsessing about protecting our young to an absurd degree ("Microaggressions?" PLEASE!). The real world can still be brutal, and we do our children no favors by excessive attempts to shield them from reality.
My offspring are still amazed at my attitude that life is a gamble, and that fear obstructs reward more often than it avoids danger. I blew a million dollars on a space tourism venture, failed, and moved on. The lesson I hope they take from my attitude is that a life spent in avoiding risk is a life only half lived. There's more to existence than just survival.
I believe you basically missed Jon's point probably because you are not of my generation; 74 years of age. He wrote about the 40's and 50's which was my youth. I suspect you are not that old so you had a much different experience growing up. Then you found Ayn Rand which is a POSITIVE but picking out an quote here and there is being unnecessarily picky. Just take his observation of what his life was like and accept that this is how he saw things and remember that those of us from 60 and older do remember the times as he has written. It is a subject that comes up for me with people of my generation and we all agree what followed us are generations who do not know the freedoms that we had. It is unfortunate because it has been the generations that have followed who have made the difference. Maybe you are of one of the following generations.
When we were much younger we didn't have the experience to recognize the con game that the fedgov gangsters were imposing, but in some part the con had to be less obvious then because of the expectation of ethics by the naive public
For Galt's sake, 98% of voters still haven't recognized the con today. Fedgov/NWO propaganda is even more effective today than it was 50 years ago.
"We got sick we recovered. We were stronger than kids are now." Actually, the strong survived, not much else. Babies died before age 6. Generally, the longer you live, the better your chances of living longer. When we say that life expectancy was 35, we are averaging infant mortality into it. Children died of childhood diseases before the acceptance of vaccination.
"We didn’t ask for much protection and we weren’t given much, and we survived" Because no one speaks for the dead.
"There was no talk about the needs of the group. When we went to school, we weren’t told about ways we could help others." Yes, there was, in many ways, in home, church and school. In my elementary school (1955-1960), we sang songs about giving for the community chest (later "Red Feather") drives.
"When we played games..." It was pretty interesting in the 6th grade when the gym teacher explained that baseball was a girls' game. (See Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.)
There was far less whispering and gossip. There were fewer cliques Baloney. In 1959, you had to be just as cool as James Dean or someone would knock your books out of your hand on the way to class.
There was no compulsion to “share.” Oh, yes, indeed, there was (see above). Otherwise, Ayn Rand would not have challenged 2500 years of ethical philosophy.
"School wasn’t some kind of social laboratory..._" You just did not realize it. School was always about that.
"We still don’t take every word a doctor says as coming from God." Granted that, now that I am an adult. Nonetheless, I would not be alive had I not had heart surgery in 1956 -- but, then, I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, where medical science was (and is) a significant industry.
I like big, fat rattler when I can get it. Like chicken meat on a 3' long trout frame.
Yes, and as Bronowski observes immaturity assists learning.
There is a problem tho' as in uni students wanting safe spaces, and mid-twenties living off parents or welfare rather than moving to another town to get a job. Now this is fine if they are children, which as they demonstrate they are. But they want the vote and they tell us we are destroying the planet. So, I advocate raising the voting age to 25, or 45.
Once Upon A Time
When we were young and free
We didn't take shots
And went out back to.....
Ah hell you finish it.
First time I got really sick was my first trip to a city.
"But once upon a time, when we were young, we were free. We didn’t take any shots, and when we got sick we recovered. We were stronger than kids are now. ........There were no childhood “conditions” like ADHD or Bipolar, and we certainly didn’t take any brain drugs. The idea of a kid going to a psychiatrist would have been absurd."
Anybody want to meet me in person and buy me a beer, I'll fill you in on this.
A few days later I was on the way to Basic Training, Infantry Training and Jump School....It was a love hate relationship. I loved the job and the training, forgot about heights and snakes (for a while) turned down OCS and asked for an infantry assignment with 11 Air Assault Test...later they became First Cavalry and were not taking many new people as they knew they were going to war. One infantry tour later I was back for the snakes....and actually ate one.
My parents never accepted my career path....and blamed it on everyone but themselves. See I learned early to despise hypocrites. Although there are plenty everywhere one goes. I often how things would have turned out had I accepted OCS earlier on as a basically raw recruit trainee OR had the Marine Recruiter been in his office. 24 years with a break in service later but with reserve status I retired. And continued to go my own way. I place a lot of the credit on an imperfect understanding of some dude named John Galt and a book that was always in my luggage.
So.....three retirements later.....I'm shrugging from FNA. I still don't eat snakes nor creamed corn.
Just one point for now: "Kids never acted like little adults. They didn’t dress like adults. They didn’t want to be fake adults."
In point of fact, "youth culture" is a recent invention of the Baby Boomer generation. Historically, there was little differentiation between children and adults, though every society does have some rites of passage, including those for the transition to adulthood. (Bar Mitzvah is a common example.) If you read the "Horatio Alger" stories from the late 19th century, you find children of 12 holding jobs, living on their own.
It is not so much that children act like adults, but that adults are still children. And it can be a good thing. NEOTENY is the retention into adulthood of immature characteristics and it is a survival trait. In The Ascent of Man Jacob Bronowski has a chapter on "The Long Childhood." Of course, not everything about grown-ups acting like kids is good.