Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 3 months ago to Technology
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This is why people do not trust business. These statements have no basis in fact, for the reasons outlined, in addition, MS has a responsibility to tell users of any threats. W10 still has issues with bad updates that trash machines and become virtually impossible to undo unless you are failry savvy. I know several people who complain they bought machines and then they just trashed themselves, and every one had W10, and there had just been updates issue. Sure enough you go look and users complain of updates that did just that, but they were able to find workarounds. These hings lead the sheeple to not trust companies, and not upgrade. Honest, open business is what they need to practice, not this type of fear mongering. Sounds a lot like some political party crap to me...
SOURCE URL: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/01/02/microsoft-windows-7-problems/?partner=yahootix


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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 3 months ago
    So, MS says that W7 has problems. Well my experience with W7 disagrees. I have had several acquaintances upgrade to W10. Everyone of them has had major issues. I'll trust my experience and that of people I know before trusting MS.
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    • Posted by saucerdesigner 9 years, 3 months ago
      I'll stick with Windows 7 as long as I can. It's working fine for me and I'm a fairly heavy power user in CAD and other processor and memory intensive applications.

      There are just too many horror stories associated with Win 10. I've disabled the nagging Win 10 update icon in the System Tray and as much of the "tracking/snooping" features in Win 7 as I am aware of.

      I run a dual-boot system with Ubuntu Linux and Windows. The software I depend on doesn't run on Linux, else I'd heave MS overboard instantly.
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    • Posted by Lnxjenn 9 years, 3 months ago
      My dad accidentally upgraded his laptop to windows 10... and it broke his keyboard. he cannot use his keyboard at all and the computer shops want like $200 to fix it. I think it's only like a $600 laptop... seems ridiculous! I am sending him a Linux install disk. It will definitely prove if his keyboard still works. I told him it's probably a driver.

      I scolded him for upgrading! Didn't I teach him anything over the last 20 years?? My hubby refuses to click the upgrade on his computer (Windows 7) I run OSX and Linux.
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      • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
        You can delete the "Upgrade to Win10" thing in your tray, it takes a couple registry edits but it is worth it since it also downloads 3 GB of stuff in order to do it. Just search for "How to delete Win10 upgrade in tray" or so and there are a few, I found one that gave you 4 different methods to kill it, the registry edit for "allow upgrade" I think,was easiest.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
      Exactly the point, in situ data suggests MS is full of ....just trying to get to as many peoples personal data as they can. Until that question is clearly resolved Win7 is my mainstay.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 3 months ago
    I never trust any Microsoft product until it is at least two years old and has gone through several bug fixes. I updated one of my computers to MS10 and noticed a huge amount of outgoing net traffic that was not related to any of the programs I was running. I could only conclude that 10 was uploading info to an external node. I removed 10 and set up that machine with Ubuntu.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
      Chuck, you are correct, a lot of that can be stopped in the privacy settings and some registry hacks, but it is painful and I do not think I should have to protect myself from them. I will pay for Win10 when they get it fixed, but I will not let them harvest my data.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
    Standing ovation for the author of this article.
    Thanks nick for posting it.

    W7 isn't as good as XP was in many ways, most notably W7 has an inferior interface, but W7 is supposedly superior in other ways, notably stability.
    W10 has few current advantages over W7 and a very significant disadvantage in privacy which is likely to get worse over time as MSFT tries to milk the customer by destroying the customer's privacy. Ignorant (most notably younger) customers will allow MSFT to legally steal their privacy because they are too ignorant (or just too stupid) to realize that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
    Linux will very likely be the next OS for me.
    MSFT has been alienating the core of their success for a generation and I predict that will not change.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
      It's a little bit late isn't it. They rushed it out to quickly replace a disaster called VISTA. Yes it had and has problems but so what? So does 8 and so does 10. I used XP and still have it - makes a good typewriter. MS NOT supporting W7 anymore is a GOOD thing. Maybe I can get some work done for a change and not have to deal with the monthly period.
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago
        I actually like Vista, in fact I'm using it right now on my home machine. I recently replaced my work computer with a new running Windows 7. After some debate, I let it upgrade to Windows 10 last week. Since I do software development and our product runs on the Windows platform I decided that, like it or not, I had to move up.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
          The problem is the business model of MS. "The important thing is get it on the market now we can fix the problems later." I didn't say that ...Bill Gates said that. But the controlling the market didn't hurt.
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          • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago
            The two things are connected. If you don't get into the market because you are bullet proofing your application, you will find out that someone else controls the market. The customers want it NOW.

            Its a balancing act that I call controlling the level of chaos. If you move too fast, your level of chaos overwhelms you and you die. If you move too slow your competitors overwhelm you and you die.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
          I do understand having to be able to run your product on W10. Stopped developing for windows some years ago partly for personal reasons, partly because MSFT's bugs kept me from having stable products .
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          • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago
            Realistically, what other choice do you have? You can go with Apple but that will definitely narrow the market of companies who are willing to use your product -- and raise the price of doing so.

            You could go with Linux but that's a support nightmare since you have no clue what version and what patches are present. Plus, once again, many companies won't want to implement it.

            I'm not sure how 'stable' it is possible for a system as large as a modern operating system can be. Of course Microsoft has it harder than Apple because there are vastly more architectures to support.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
              I do understand MSFT's architecture problem, and I have defended them here on that issue in the past. I am doing Android development now.
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              • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago
                I've put my toe in that water as well.

                Having 'grown up' in the balkanized era where there were a dozen computer manufacturers with different architectures, different OS's and even different character sets, I appreciate how having a common platform provides a market for those of us who want to make a living developing applications.

                It's an interesting dilemma. I like competition but want a standard platform so I don't have to have a dozen variations on my product and staff to support them. Currently it's split Windows/Mac but the Mac market is small enough that it's relatively safe to ignore it.

                Over the last twenty years we've probably lost two sales because the customer was determined to have a "Macintosh Shop". I have no idea how many we would have lost had we gone Mac, but I think it's a lot. One of our significant competitors started out with Macs and still uses an apple as part of their logo but long ago transitioned to PCs. They must have found it a disadvantage to go to that much effort.
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                • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago
                  At any given time, I have a couple of I7 Windows laptops for the work for my government clients, basically, I use them to log into VPNs.. my Govie laptop has the badge/smart-card authentication built-in, drive encryption, content encryption, etc. I'm fairly surprised it actually does anything with all of the Windows security overhead in it.

                  I also have my MacBook Air, with an outstanding Logitech keyboard & mouse that actually displaced my Apple/Mac BlueTooth keyboard & trackpad that I still have - just like the Logitech products better. The MacBook has a single connection using ThunderBolt to the monitor, providing both power to the Mac, Audio and Video to the monitor.

                  Boot time? milliseconds. I tap a key and it springs to life, it also power-naps when it sleeps, updating my email and if I'm transcoding and transferring media files to the media jukebox server for the house, it will finish that while sleeping as well. Obviously, SMS text messages, FaceTime, telephone calls, etc. from the iPhone or my iPad route automatically to the Mac and I can just take them with the monitor & camera.

                  I've been a high end (like 100 cluster server blades for a single application) systems engineer for about 20-25 years, but personally, I don't use a WinTel PC for anything if I don't have to, I only buy or use Macs for my personal stuff and 99% of my work I just do with the Mac... Office 2016 for Mac runs circles around its Windows counterpart, even Microsoft can't succeed in making their own platform look better for their own product line... and if I need a Windows app, VMWare Fusion just puts a Windows 7 subsystem into OS X and I run Windows apps as good or better than they run on my WinTel i7..

                  I travel a lot, around 100,000 miles a year, the MacBook Air has about an 11 hour battery life, which is why I originally switched, but quickly gave up on using anything else. The Mac/iPhone/iPad ecosystem is pretty unbeatable for productivity.

                  Updates for OS X are like one here and there, maybe every other month at the most, and most of those will be RAW camera file drivers for PhotoShop & such. I usually get an iTunes update about twice a year supporting the next generation of iOS devices, and of course, the bi-annual release of OS X is always free...

                  As for longevity, I had a 2009 MacBook Air using a DuoCore processor, then a 2011 MacBook Pro using a Core-2, and my current MacBook Air has an i5. All 3 are still in service in the family, my son uses the old MacBook Air for notes at college because it is light and still has a 8 or 9 hour battery life and uses the MacBook Pro at his apartment. Both run latest OS X without issue.

                  I'd love to look at a comparable 7 year old Windows Laptop as to how well it would run Windows 10...
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                  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
                    Macs are fine, I just do not like the premium and I build my own desktops. I am building an I7 5930 system now, and play Star Citizen, so OSX is out. I do not have a warm fuzzy about running a VM within. Besides, desktops form Apple are a pretty lean selection.
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                    • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago
                      Lots of games coming out in that genre, looks like this year will be the VR coming-out party. No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous... etc..

                      I kind of game up on Windows gaming though, got frustrating over time, I'm kind of sold on the console route but I'm looking for some better add-on hardware for it over time (VR headsets for example), but I'll probably dive into the PlayStation 4 world I think. I've never actually bought one before, but I don't play games very often anymore either.
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                    • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago
                      True, there isn't much in the mid-range for a desktop from Apple. I think the philosophy is to just sell a MacBook Pro in that market.

                      Porting Star Citizen to Mac wouldn't be tough for the developer, OS X is actually almost entirely BSD Unix with whiz-bang GUI on it. If you open a terminal window on OS X, it's very obviously BSD immediately.
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                      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
                        Wonder how important mac computers are to Apple now.
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                        • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago
                          Apple has about 9% of the desktop OS marketshare, compared to Windows at something under 90%, with about 1 or 2% to Linux. The acceleration is benefiting Apple though, with sales of Mac improving by about 10-25% year over year (but a lot of those are existing customers upgrading obviously).

                          At the same time though, Microsoft's annual unit sales have been shrinking by double-digit percentages annually, with the same numbers pretty much going to the Apple side, or people just deciding they don't need a PC anymore (common to the elderly for example that are happy with their iPad). Mac sales are down a bit in the last quarter, but Apple also released the iPad Pro at the same time, which is pretty much a laptop. Heck, I'll probably move to one eventually, I like light, not bulky.

                          When you consider though that the Mac market is a single vendor, versus 100s or 1000s in the PC space, it's pretty obvious that Mac is a big ticket item for Apple's bottom line.

                          Although, with half a trillion or so in the bank, I don't think any one item in their portfolio helps or hurts them particularly other than the iPhone.

                          The growth of Mac is obviously iOS... Android is obviously a competitor with marketshare, but I've had both and I really don't think Android compares much in terms of quality or workmanship, I think the open aspect of its OS is the lure for technical folks and the cheaper price tag is the lure for others.

                          I use all of the above for various things obviously, but when I travel across the US, bring a projector and need to do a cyber security presentation and it -MUST- work and -MUST- be reliable, I'm grabbing the Macbook obviously... I'd never risk it on on a PC. I don't have problems with them often, or even once a year, but it always seems to be something at the worst possible time... or just that infinite boot up thing drives me nuts. Heck, the MacBook is up & ready before I have the laptop open and in the right spot for my hands to type it seems like.

                          The millennials entering the workforce at some point in leadership positions will be a game changer though, my son is 23 and in college, you don't see a PC anywhere... about 30% of our consulting work is for higher ed institutions and the top 5 or so K-12 districts... same thing, I can look at device-counts on any given education network and the numbers are exactly flip-flopped... 90% Mac & iOS versus about 10% something-other. We can identify the Apple devices pretty easily by their hardware MAC address on the network when they request a DHCP, the pre-amble to the request is the manufacture designation, so Apple is all in one family basically, with all-else in the others pile.

                          People have always thought that the lack (like practically zero) virus issues for Macs are because of the small marketshare, but that isn't true, the closed/known hardware aspect with zero variations in hardware drivers, closed OS, and unix foundation of it are all pretty strong adversaries to any kind of malware or viruses. Microsoft has to manage a planet load of hardware ecosystem, where Apple only knows what it has and has to worry about it. Combine with that the unix security model, no registry junk to get corrupted, very little shared system files for applications, and unix networking, antivirus is really just kind of optional on a Mac.. and not something you really need to pay for, the freebies are fine.

                          So from a cost perspective... you figure an average 7 year life of a Mac, plus the free OS, and the free/zero-need for the McAfee cartels, and you pretty easily get to Mac being a lot cheaper... probably cheaper than even the $250 junk at Walmart to be honest, if you are comparing 'apples to apples', no pun intended, of high performance/high quality construction WinTel to a MacBook for example, there isn't a big difference in the upfront cost, but the advantage goes heavily Mac in the out-years.
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                          • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
                            While true, a lot of other things come into play, such as compatability with some programs. You are correct in your overall analysis, except the Front end cost is what stops most people. MS's real issue is piracy, which they have never been able to solve successfully, and the Chinese basically flipped them off and pirate huge amounts of software. The ineffective government and cozy relationships means MS was powerless to stop. A Nifty bug would be to send out an update that verifies it is a real copy, or crashes it, that might get some attention. But then, their updates tend to do that already...
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              • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
                Amazingly, Android runs on Intel arch, so I would like to think someday we may see something, although I think the Intel Android is a sub species they had to tweak to get it to work.
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            • Posted by TheOldMan 9 years, 3 months ago
              IBM has managed to create ultra-stable OSs for many years. MVS simply does not fail.
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              • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago
                I'm not familiar with the IBM mainframe world having been in the Univac/Unisys world. In terms of complexity, though OSs of that era are much simpler than what we expect from a desktop like Windows. The wide variety of functions and types of hardware interfaced are much broader than you expect from a mainframe OS.

                Novell Netware was incredibly solid. We had a customer lose a server. It was a small network and when we went to upgrade the server we couldn't find it! It was still running, and had been for several years but no one knew where it was. We finally found it in a counter cabinet behind some papers. Of course the functions we expected from it were simple.

                A Google search gives me a size for MVS of about 20 million lines of code and for Windows of 40-50 million lines. I would assume for MVS that since it started in the 70s a lot of the core code has long been stable.
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                • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago
                  I used to be a Novell GroupWise CNE back in the day, reminds me of a project I was on in Dubai for Zayed University. I was there for other reasons, but they wanted me to take a look at one of their dozens of Novell servers, I was able to fix it pretty easily over the wire with a keyboard, but I was kind of curious, looking at it's run time of about 1600 days since last reboot... went looking for it, couldn't find it, then it turned into a bit of an Easter Egg project over the course of a couple of weekends (of doing other work). We finally discovered it was in an abandoned server room that had literally been sealed up with cinder blocks during a remodel a couple of years earlier. Thing was still running ok, so we left it and added it to the backup scheme and figured if it ever dies, minimal data on it, so in that event they would just cut power to it.
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              • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago
                OS/2 was actually a joint Microsoft & IBM project, was incredibly stable, so much so that we used to use OS/2 workstations for Lotus Notes servers.

                MS took their copy of the source code and that rolled into the original Windows NT, which could actually run OS2 applications pretty easily for a couple of versions after that.

                IBM did a couple of additional versions of OS/2, but kind of gave up on the effort.

                IBM makes great server products today, they just don't dabble much in the operating systems other than AIX unix. Most of their enterprise applications they design and market with a flavor of Linux. (WebSphere, DB2, Maximo, etc.)
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                • Posted by TheOldMan 9 years, 3 months ago
                  OS/2 was used in ATMs for many years, long after it was withdrawn from the market. It was also used as the OS in the P/390 system which we still have. I have an OS/2 book with a preface where Gates claimed that OS/2 was the OS of the future. I used it at home for many years as well.
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            • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
              True, but stability is also based on manufacturers palying nice with Windows and vice versa, I have too often had catastrophic crashes from driver updates, etc. I lost one whole install because of the GeForce Experience, so I don't update the driver until 6 months later, just to see what issues it has.
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        • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
          Just be careful and try to keep track of what patches come down so if you cannot start it, you know where to start. The infinite boot loop "update" they did was enough to make me not touch it for a while, on top of all the privacy questions.
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      • Posted by jetmec 9 years, 3 months ago
        Vista was a good for me, I'm on widows 8.1 at the moment, My next new laptop will have Vista installed on it, For me it was very similar to XP and worked well with both games and office software.
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      • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
        Well, the article says Win 7 support will continue until 2020. So, if it is that bad, you would think they wouldn't. Unless there is some legal reason. XP was functional, it's just that, if hooked up to the web, there may be a lot of loopholes in it now, that can be exploited. But a good firewall is always better than trusting MS to close all the doors they ventilate their software with.
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        • Posted by Lnxjenn 9 years, 3 months ago
          They had announced a few months ago they were ceasing support to Win7. Like in the next couple of years. Maybe they changed their mind on the time frame. I'm sure they said 2017... but i could be wrong!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    My son who has been a software engineer, inventor, businessman, etc. ever since you needed to use an old B&W TV for a computer screen, warned me about W10 as soon as he looked at it. I have W7 and wife has W8, both functioning well after tweaks from my computer guru and heir. If you managed to avoid W10 even after all the prodding from MS, you have real mental toughness. If you got hooked by MS, practice saying the word NO ten minutes every day.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
      Good points, it seems the verdict is in. If they resolve the privacy issue and figure out how to test updates before ramming them, I would reconsider, but they seem to have no urge to do so yet.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago
    Today there's a little blue box on my PC screen that contains a message about how"110M people have already upgraded to Windows 10" and I can do it for free.
    Why for free and what's the big rush?
    Is Big Brother paying someone my tax money to keep an eye on me better kinda like he did in the novel?
    I still have Windows 7. So does my far more than I tekkie son, who cautioned me at least half a year ago not to mess with Windows 10 until all the kinks are worked out.
    The little old(er than me) lady next door told me three months ago that she "upgraded" to Window 10 and had to pay a geek squad to come over and get her games back and to fix other problems.
    I believe she said that took 3 or 4 hours.
    No freakin' thank you!
    I'll switch after my son does--that depending on what happens when he does.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
      Yep, a good plan dino. I waited 2 years before Win7 and it has been an easy system to work with, the new UFEI Bios on motherboards is more problematic, they tend to eat hard drives and rearrange them at random points. Win 7 is the most stable one of the crowd, so I hope they don't mess it up...
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago
        This reminds me of working for the Alabama Department of Corrections during the 90s when I was presented with the preferable option of having my paycheck instead electronically transferred into my checking account.
        Knowing that outfit like I did I just knew there would be growing pains.and screw-ups.
        Really needing to be paid without a hitch every two weeks, I decided to wait a year.
        During that time I heard coworker moans and groans about glitches and snafus while I kept collecting my paper check without a hitch.
        A year later I went electronic and never had a problem with my pay landing in my checking account.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
      Why? As I stated above it's their very successful business model. "Get it on the market now and fix the problems later." Thirty odd years later they are billionaires and you are on your twentieth computer.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 3 months ago
    Funny, I just read this article because it was promoted in a daily newsletter-for-geeks that I get. That guy has written a bunch of good articles.
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  • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 3 months ago
    Win7 is being supported until 2020, so no need to change right now. Microsoft just wants everybody to change to Win10. They want to make their numbers look good and they don't right now, only about 10% or so have changed to Win10. There are still somewhere around 15% of computers still running XP. The rest are running somewhere between Win7, Win8 and Win8.1.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
      They've hit two problems. One is that most users don't like the tiled interface (I'm one of them). It's confusing even to savvy users. The second is the use of the Windows Live login to get to the OS at all. Sorry, but I'm not going there. I refuse to have Microsoft control whether or not I can use my property.

      I have one Windows 7 PC (self-built) and one Windows XP PC (also self-built) and they're what I'll continue to use for some time.
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      • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 3 months ago
        I have one laptop on Win 10 and the only reason I upgraded was because it was a Win 8 when I got it and I hated Win 8. All my other computers are Win 7 and will stay that way. 2 laptops and 2 desktops (self built) along with a NUC ( bare bone, self built). I am moving to Belize later this year and the infrastructure down there is very basic, I could not get the Win 10 laptop onto the internet down there. The company said they would not be able to allow Win 8 or Win 10 computers on their network until around 2017. So, not everyone gets to partake in Microsoft's domination of the computer software world.
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  • Posted by Stormi 9 years, 3 months ago
    Evan as a stockholder in Microsoft, I am disgusted with their product and communistic marketing methods. We are running a laptop on Vista, and four PCs, one XP, one Vista, and two Win 7. They all have their endearing qualities and we like them, What we do NOT like is Microsoft's panic mode attempts to force us into Win 10 when we have no desire for it. It is not compatible with some of our programs, it is geared toward kids, it is set to gather and transfer information about where we shop where we surf the web, and who we are, which Micsfoft can sell. I used Media Play often, and am not about to stop because Win 10 dropped it and it is not even an option! I became disgusted with Microsoft when they gave up on Vista, without a fair attempt to sell it. At first it gave us a lot of "can't do" messages, which, if ignored, proved to be hot air, it worked. It is still fun to use and a solid version. If Win 10 is so great, why is Microsoft already planning a not too distant roll out of Win 11? They don't care about the consumer or any problems, they just see unearned dollar signs. Before I uninstalled their gateway update for 10, which fails to describe it as such, they tried to load 10 on my PC 37 times, without my permission! That is NOT caring about your consumer, when you have to block them at every attempt. They would do well to fine tune their regular updates so they do not cause issues, which we all know they do. That is why I have never loaded updates the day the come out, they just don't clean them up. I just want value for my money, and I do not feel that is their future. My next upgrade is likely going to be Apple.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 3 months ago
    W7 works better than 8 and both seem to work better than 10...going back to 7, disable updates until such time I can go to apple...$$$ or a different operating system.
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  • Posted by samrigel 9 years, 3 months ago
    Go into your Windows updates and uninstall KB 3035583 and don't allow your system to reboot. Go back into the Windows update and have the system check for updates. After it has found the updates simply "right-click" on the KB 3035583 and tell it to hide the update. Then go ahead and reboot the computer and you are good to go and no more tray nagging "Upgrade to Windows 10".

    IMHO the press put out on issues with Windows 7 have more to do with MS wanting to cast it aside for the more covert collecting of data and information that comes with Windows 10.

    I use Linux Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and it runs great without any issues. It doesn't even require anti-virus or anti-malware software. Now and then it receives updates to keep it running smoothly. And if on the rare occasion a program crashes, that is all that crashes the program NOT the entire OS.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
      That will work, but the fix I found also had you do a reg edit to disable OS upgrade. Maybe they have some other thing they do to trigger it, who knows, they are being sneaky with this whole upgrade thing...
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      • Posted by ewv 9 years, 3 months ago
        The steps below work so far to block W7 downgrades to W10. What is your registry change?

        suppress display of W10 update popup notices in Windows 7:
        ....control panel > all control panel items > notification areas icons
        ..or
        ....right click taskbar > properties > customize
        then
        ......."GWX Get Windows 10" - "Hide icon and notifications"

        to remove KB3035583 "update" pushing W10:
        ....control panel > all control panel items > programs and features > installed updates
        ........"Upgrade for Windows 7 for x64-based systems (KB3035583)"
        ............right click > uninstall

        to view update history
        ....control panel > all control panel items > windows update > view update history

        hide KB3035583 "update" to prevent future "offer"
        ....control panel > all control panel items > windows update > select updates to install
        ........important
        ............"Upgrade for Windows 7 for x64-based systems (KB3035583)"
        ............right click > hide update

        prevent silent automatic updates -- notification only, to choose updates installed
        ....(updates are normally released on the second Tues of each month)
        ........control panel > windows update > change settings
        ............notify important updates
        ............notify recommended updates
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
      Have you used VirtualBox (or equivalent) to run Windows virtal machine on Ubuntu? I still have some windows apps I need to use.
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      • Posted by samrigel 9 years, 3 months ago
        Yes I have. However the computer I run my Ubuntu on is limited to 4GB of memory so the VB running Windows XP and 7 is sssllllloooowww. But it works and occasionally crashes the VB. But if you can run 8 or 16 GB it should run very good. Hope that helps.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 9 years, 3 months ago
    I have had nothing but problems with W10 since I upgraded. Every month it is something new. Bluetooth devices not working one month, a game not loading another month, my home network not working another month, and I lost my internet connection just last week. I have had to use restore points constantly and now I just do not update at all. I immediately changed back to my personal windows log in right after I upgraded to W10. No way was I going to use a Microsoft login to my computer! I may go back to W7 as I had no problems with that OS.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
      Yes. That was one aspect (being tied to Windows Live login) that made me put my foot down and say absolutely not interested. I also can't stand the tiles in Windows 8 or 10.

      MICROSOFT: LEAVE THE FREAKING DESKTOP THE WAY I WANT IT!
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
      The wonderful world of windows, and when their screwy patch inhibits you from lging on (since all you have as a windows login in the future) then you get stuck, because MS Help wants 75.00 up front to talk to you because the EULA specified they had no obligation to fix anything they break and can we have your social security number?
      Nope, in 2 years or so, maybe they will have hacked out all the secrets of why MS was giving away a thing, and what we were giving back. I am sure it is our privacy and they have it in their EULA that you have no such thing. Better to wait for 2020 and re-evaluate.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 3 months ago
    I'm only a mildly interested bystander in all of this Windows flap. I've been a Mac user since the first one came out, and have never had the kind of grief that my PC compatriots have had to put up with. I've convinced a few to switch, but most are like the wife with the abusive husband, hoping he'll change.
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    • Posted by Lnxjenn 9 years, 3 months ago
      I understand that! I had my parents on Linux for a few years. But a few hardware failures and they brokedown and bought windows laptops. I'm going to push my dad back on Linux again!
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
      Doc, I think it is not just that, but the huge costs involved as well, and the flip side of "you will use what Apple tells you too" mentality. Apple is almost as bad as MS in its approach, they are hugely proprietary, so they practice a form of blackmail: "You want good software and no virus run only our stuff at our prices". So They are not angels wither. There is a lot of good stuff in the MS world, if they just followed the Hippocratic Oath...
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 3 months ago
        I've been using open source software on my Mac for over a decade, with no adverse consequences. I find Apple's imitation of Microsoft Office pathetic next to the OpenOffice family, and prefer Firefox to Safari, just to name a couple.

        Apple does get pushy about using the iCloud feature for both home computers and iPhones, but I just ignore them. I keep my backup local, and limit the use of my smartphone to making calls and sending text messages - no music, video, or games. With my background in the intelligence community, I trust no one else with my data, and seem to be relatively insensitive to the alternately seductive and domineering pressures demanding I become more "sharing".

        What confirmed my decision to stick with the Mac was watching the catastrophe the intelligence community had brought on itself when they decided to replace their Unix machines with Windows PCs. Security patches were required on a bi-weekly basis, and their computer security workforce quadrupled in size. Since OS-X is Unix-based, it's much more resistant to damaging hacks.
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        • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
          Indeed, a modified, security OS is what they should use, but the government "managers" probably couldn't imagine such a beast, and would spend billions making it, and even then it wouldn't work. Sort of like Microsoft. Business imitating government...
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 3 months ago
            I'm older than many of the now-senior government officials who make decisions about acquiring computer systems, and I'm appalled at how incredibly ignorant they are. Of course it could be that they're corrupt, taking bribes of one form or another from the firms they award contracts to.

            Dell did a real sales job in Washington, convincing the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies that the risk of security issues was small compared to the increased inventory of computers they'd have by going to a Windows PC as the platform of choice. The result was a security disaster. Most of the analysts had both a classified and an unclassified PC on their desk, just like the one they had at home, and many of them wanted to bring in CDs with their favorite music to play on their work machines. Viruses spread like wildfire, and until the CD/DVD drives on the classified systems were locked, even they were hit.

            During the resulting scramble to try to fix the problem, I suggested they ditch Windows, and go with Linux, as it had most of the security strengths of Unix, a Windows-like interface, and would work on the PCs. Microsoft got wind of the Linux rumors, and cranked up their lobbyists to torpedo any move in that direction.

            The other change in operations that leaves government computers wide open to hacking is the use of commercial software. When I ran a classified computer operation, the rule was that we had to have a physical audit of the source code, so we could uncover any possible security problems. Commercial software source code is proprietary, meaning that government security teams can only perform a functional audit, denied any view of code. That makes it easy for hackers to plant invasive code in commercial packages.
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  • Posted by DavidRawe 9 years, 3 months ago
    Apple actually has Linux in the background. Windows has been tricking people into using it...so many updates, pataches, security updates, software and hardware issues, yet people keep getting/using it. People are lazy and yet complain.
    What would Atlas do???
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 9 years, 3 months ago
    I do not remember the source of this. I read that the new W10 lets all of your data be mined for advertisers to be able to target you with their products - thus MS can 'give it away' to users. MS will be paid by advertisers the way Google, etc. get their revenue. Given that Bill Gates has gone over to the dark side, I suspect there will be a lot of government trolls in W10 computers also. I am also using Ubuntu almost exclusively. I keep a W7 computer that I need for a couple of specific programs, but it is not connected to the 'net.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
      MSC latest. DirectX quit working. The screen popped up and said get a new updated copy. That's a MS vist. It said We No Longer Support W7 and none of the their DL fixes work anymore. But if you want to upgrade.........uh huh uh huh....One way or the other.....they are going to get you...
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago
    We went to MACS to get rid of Microsoft. Unless you need the very latest new features, my macs from 10 years ago still work to do the things they did when new. If you ignore the system updates, and the resulting need for program updates, they seem to work just fine to do most things
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
      "my macs from 10 years ago still work to do the things they did when new"
      So do old windows machines and old linux machines. My 1985 compaq transportable still works. I agree, term2, but newer equipment often does the same jobs better, faster, and allow additional functionality.
      There are advantages to each platform. More in the market bought windows, but that doesn't mean they are right (or wrong.) It does likely mean that the x86-windows hardware will be less expensive due to the volume. Even that is becoming less important with more powerful phones, watches, raspberryPi's, etc, taking some of the tasks that bigger hardware had to do in the past.
      The big news is the return of Windows 95 (joke):
      http://www.geek.com/games/someone-got...
      Life goes on (grin)
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      • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago
        My old PC's dont work anymore, not to say they worked very well even when new. It seemed we needed some geek to come and rescue them. With macs, we got rid of the need for the geeks, and saved money actually.
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