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BEWARE---Precrime is Here---'Minority Report' From the Screen to Real Life

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 3 months ago to Government
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I've watched small info releases and publication of work on this system and it's type over the last several years, but it's now moved into a Police Department near you and me--Now. From the article:

"According to a report from the Washington Post, when Fresno police received a 911 call about a man threatening his ex-girlfriend, they consulted the “Beware” software, which “scoured billions of data points, including arrest reports, property records, commercial databases, deep Web searches and the man’s social media postings.”

The software search found that the man had both a “firearm conviction” and a “gang association,” which put his “threat level” at the highest of three possible color-coded scores."
And:
"“It’s trying to forecast based on maybe your past behavior, or what is seen in your social media – a change in behavior or a change in the things you’re posting about,” Smith said. “They say ‘maybe this person is going to perpetrate a crime in the future,’ and then they want prevention from police officers.”"

I'd guess in 2yrs or less, we'll see legislation to enable a pre-crime intervention law and I'd bet we'll see it offered as justification on a Pre-Crime Police Killing "mistake".


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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're probably right that each part of the system is 'low end' as you term it, but that's the problem. When each of those 'low end' parts are combined and no one reveals the algorithms that produce the results, to be used by some of the lower educated workers of our country against it's citizens, there is no privacy or 4th Amendment for the individual left. And the system will make mistakes. From the source WaPo report:

    "Councilman Clinton J. Olivier, a libertarian-leaning Republican, said Beware was like something out of a dystopian science fiction novel and asked Dyer a simple question: “Could you run my threat level now?”

    Dyer agreed. The scan returned Olivier as a green, but his home came back as a yellow, possibly because of someone who previously lived at his address, a police official said.

    “Even though it’s not me that’s the yellow guy, your officers are going to treat whoever comes out of that house in his boxer shorts as the yellow guy,” Olivier said. “That may not be fair to me.”

    He added later: “[Beware] has failed right here with a council member as the example."

    Downplaying the impact of a system such as Beware and the idiots, with guns on the belts, that apply the results against us does none of us any good. It only leads to the loss of our individual rights and the protection of those rights. It doesn't matter to me at any level to consider what the Police need to do their jobs, it only matters to me what it takes to protect the individual rights of man.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 3 months ago
    Well, well. Why don't they just look at, and report on, all law-abiding citizens from birth? After all,
    what's wrong with having to justify your every move
    to the government, in advance, before you are al-
    lowed to do anything?!--This has gone beyond what we citizens ought to tolerate. I wonder if
    Oblahblah is going to endorse this in his speech
    tonight? Not that I'm enthusiastic about listening
    to it, but I guess that will be about the only thing
    on the radio until it's over.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not saying I like it, I'm describing how I would do it.

    So, the reason why that really isn't the case is because a lot of things on social media default to 'public' security settings unless you change them to friends/self/specific people, etc.

    If a police officer pulls you over for speeding and is walking up to your window and sees a dead body in the back seat, it is in plain-view and it is completely valid for evidence collection and arrest. If its in your trunk, unless he smells the body rotting and knows what it is, or sees drugs on the dashboard and has probable cause to search the vehicle, it's probably not admissible.

    The difference is what is the plain view. If you are posting a video of holding a woman as a sexual slave and raping/murdering her on youtube, it is most certainly in plain view and very admissible.

    Where the difference is, invading your smart phone for geo location logging information, or something similar that is not in plain view of a publicly-accessible medium. The difference is if you have an "expectation of privacy" or not. Students in a high school for example do not have reasonable expectation of privacy of what is in their locker because they usually sign a statement that the locker is the school's property and it can be searched with or without cause. Your car / trunk, etc., though, you do have a reasonable expectation of privacy because you are the only one with a key. Obviously, your home is always an expectation of privacy.

    There is always a way out of that, don't sell pictures of yourself selling dope on Facebook or whatever... read the 400 page privacy notice...
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  • Posted by starznbarz 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I bet it really soggy`s up their froot loops to know a simple piece of tape overrides all that high tech hacking...
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I think it's just a Dept of Homeland Security grant to test whether it works in law enforcement. Probably not much more than a web interface with a hacked-together app and a Google Search Device setup to scrape Facebook & whatever for whatever name they put in. "
    THIS. a direct 4th Amendment violation and a 1st Amendment violation. the govt can not go looking you up, tracking you down-EVEN WITH PUBLIC INFORMATION until they suspect you of a crime already committed. the fact people do not know this and do not expect this as part of their privacy blows me the hell away
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 3 months ago
    The TV series that's a follow-up to the movie Minority Report incorporates a software program designed to replace the human "pre-cogs", and sounds a lot like the "Beware" system. I'm going to predict that such a system is inevitable, due to concerns the general public have about police being out of the picture until after a crime has been committed. The desire for security is seductive, and with technology advancing swiftly, in the areas of face recognition and sensors approaching canine sensitivity, monitoring and catching a likely perpetrator before an act of violence is committed will be favorably viewed.

    As others point out here, there are two issues with such technology: exactly what punishment can be meted out for planning a criminal act, since current law requires the crime be committed before there is warranted punishment; second, what constraints need to be put on government to prevent abuse?

    The first issue is less difficult than it might seem, since there are laws that allow charges for intent to commit a crime, though now those are most often a result of a sting operation. Still, the first court cases will be interesting, since the prosecution will be without the benefit of overt self incrimination typical in stings.

    The second issue is the toughest nut to crack, but not so different from the existing situation with law enforcement. Most law enforcement personnel are diligent and honest, though not always the brightest bulb in the chandelier. The public has been consistently willing to accept the fact that isolated cases of abuse in the legal system are preferable to no police, so I would say that a pre-crime regimen will slowly be accepted.

    I can't help but wonder if the technology won't find its way into the business and sports arenas, used to leverage knowledge of a competitor's past behavior in predicting his upcoming strategies.
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  • Posted by yno 9 years, 3 months ago
    Guilty before you're charged and now we have to prove our innocence? This is whacked. I could see if it was a tool for honest law enforcement and government, but if we had that, most of these problems wouldn't exist.
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  • Posted by minorwork 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Individualized attention to those with previous DUI's is no different now. They are known and justly get the most attention.

    Which areas in a city such as Chicago need some specific refinings that analysis of previous offenders AND their Social network communications can indicate many things about to happen from a flash shoplifting mob to what conversations of who is gone to a funereal out of town as a possible casing of house to rob, etc., etc.. Nothing new, more refinement.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Going back to teaching feels pretty good. The break was pretty miserable. I moved my dad into a hire level of care and cleared my parents stuff out of a storage facility in prep for sale. Then I came back home to find out that my cat got run over. You could say that I had a taste of mortality. It makes me appreciate the time I do have all the more.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My comment was limited to the fictional "minority report" world where pre-crime was highly predictable. It does bring up interesting theoretical issue if you COULD predict crime with probability approaching certainty.

    This is not the current world.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, lets be honest here, Fresno is a pretty small town in the middle of the central valley, but it has a high hispanic immigrant population, and a lot of gang issues actually. It's also dirt-poor, $600,000 in the government IT world is so small that no one would bid on it... we won't touch something for less than $5 million for example, it's not worth our time (being completely honest). $600k is something that some local PC/IT guy would bid on - 2 guys with a truck kind of thing.

    I think it's just a Dept of Homeland Security grant to test whether it works in law enforcement. Probably not much more than a web interface with a hacked-together app and a Google Search Device setup to scrape Facebook & whatever for whatever name they put in.

    The only thing this does beyond what you can do yourself is probably stores the searches by whatever names of pre-existing convicts/felons/suspects they have, stores the results so if they are deleted from Facebook or whatever they still have them, and re-runs for updates every 24 hours or something with specific keywords & whatever.

    This isn't hacking encrypted communications... this is just an automated tool for looking at what is out there in plane view.

    If I was going to build something like this, I'd do:
    1.) Scrape for the names of interest, and look for "check-ins", "Status updates with an address or location, etc." Or "person A is at x restaurant with Person B". If Person A is who I am interested in, I'd take that tag, and record Person B as a new record if not already there. If there, create a linked relationship between the 2.

    2.) I'd also look at location references and match up who else is at the same place at the same time... if Person A is at a pub on a corner at 11 pm at night, I'd be interested in B/C/D/E/F as well and slot them as a "one time / same place". Next time the same place / same time with C & F, I'm going to assume C & F know & hang out with my subject - Person A and that B/D/E are probably just coincidence.

    Merge that with the SOMS database, etc.. and another convenience - a snitch gives a name as a suspect for a crime, but it's a first-time offender so there are no pictures, search Facebook - obviously, there is going to be a lot of John Smiths, but if you have the relationships already seen before like I described above, you have a fair shot at a photo of the suspect.

    This isn't very high tech stuff... this is pretty low-end to be honest.

    The other usefulness would be when someone skips bail, parole violations, and our 'early release program' in California where we basically let go of non-violent felons within days of sentencing because there isn't any room in prison for them. These people are always homeless, couch-surfing, etc... for the parole officers to track them down, they need to talk to friends/acquaintances, etc.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    William; From the Article:

    "“It’s trying to forecast based on maybe your past behavior, or what is seen in your social media – a change in behavior or a change in the things you’re posting about,” Smith said. “They say ‘maybe this person is going to perpetrate a crime in the future,’ and then they want prevention from police officers.”

    The problem I have is that the individuals sent out to do the 'intervention and/or prevention' are not always the 'brightest bulbs in the closet'. We already have way too many 'botched' pre-dawn raids on wrong houses, wrong subjects, etc. Add this system in and what do we have--another easy as pie way to get around Constitutional Probable Cause, and increased ways to 'justify' mistakes.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    From the Article:
    "Jennifer Lynch, a senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told the Post that this technology has been in progress since 9/11, and that both state and federal governments are funding it.

    “This is something that’s been building since September 11,” Lynch said. “First funding went to the military to develop this technology, and now it has come back to domestic law enforcement. It’s the perfect storm of cheaper and easier-to-use technologies and money from state and federal governments to purchase it.”

    The Post reported that Fresno’s police department is one of the first in the country to test the Beware software, which is housed in a “Real Time Crime Center” which cost an estimated $600,000."

    So it looks like your Federal Contractors are all over it.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the gov't (some Dept.) has already gained access to whatever camera and security systems they want. We know they have the ability to turn your PC and cellphone cameras on without you knowing it.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 3 months ago
    (knock, knock, knock)

    "Hello? It's the police. We just want to talk to you...."
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