The New Larry King Version of My Take on Bernie Sanders Proposal to Raise Taxes but Only on Half the Middle Class

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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The following should be taken with one grain of salt. First Mr. Bernie Sanders version of how to fix health care. I get the last cheap shot.


Headlines Time Exclusive: Bernie Sanders open to raising middle-class taxes to fund health care

When asked in an interview in Charleston, South Carolina, on Sunday which of his big-ticket proposals would cost the middle class more in taxes, the insurgent presidential candidate said “I think if we can guarantee healthcare to all people comprehensive healthcare, no deductibles, and if we can cut people’s healthcare bill substantially.”

Sanders disputed to TIME it was a middle-class tax hike, saying it would ultimately save taxpayers money by cutting out private health insurers.

He added that Clinton’s attacks over the bills were a “distortion of reality.”

“What media sometimes does, what my opponent does, what Republicans do, is they really try to take a cheap shot. If you were paying $10,000 in private health insurance and I said to you, guess what, you ain’t going to pay that $10,000 and more but you’re going to pay $5,000 more in healthcare premiums, you’d be jumping up and down for joy. You save $5,000 on your healthcare bills,” Sanders told TIME.
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Cheap shots and soft balls in comments.

By the way I put a source an URL anyway ....I can only go so far with playing stupid.


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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    First of all you're smarter than Larry King.
    Secondly you're smarter than Bernie Sanders, however, that is not too big of an accomplishment, since sand crabs are smarter than Bernie Sanders.
    It is almost impossible to keep from making cheap shots at Sanders because what he says is so irredeemably stupid that it simply leaves you with nothing else to do. I don't know what would cause me to drop out faster if either Sanders or Clinton gets elected, a lying, vicious traitor, or a complete moron. Quoting Willie The Shake, "Lord, what fools these mortals be."
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just do a simple supply/demand analysis. If you add 40 or 50 million additional users, at a cost BELOW equilibrium (otherwise, they'd already be paying on their own), and you don't increase any of the supply of health care (clinics, doctors, nurses, lab techs, etc.), the prices WILL go up, DRAMATICALLY. Just shift the demand curve to the right, and keep the supply at its old position. The price MUST go up. The fact is, you'll pay in insurance premiums, or you'll pay in "taxes," but you'll pay.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 3 months ago
    I'm afraid that a candidate as old as Bernie Sanders who has been an avowed socialist for so many years will never understand simple concepts that are anathema to Austrian economics. The scary thing is that Sanders actually believes his own rhetoric! That is scary.....
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  • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 3 months ago
    This man is either totally naive or completely delusional and perhaps ready for a straight jacket. No rational person who has even the basic understanding of the issues could possibly believe such socialist tripe. It is even worse that Obama's "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"!

    Should be some far out chance become president with a Democrat Senate and House, the country will be totally bankrupt and probably over-run by its enemies within weeks. Let's see how naive or, let's not mince words, stupid the American electorate really is!
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  • Posted by DavidRawe 9 years, 3 months ago
    I like it when a candidate says "and the government pays"...ummm NO its the people paying. Sanders is the ultimate Socialist and wants the government to control all facets of your life.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago
    Health insurance and public schools...two mainlines to the soul of the addled public.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Another example of an elegant solution also KISS solution. By law all medical facilities must provide treatment at least to the point of stabilizing the injured or ill party regardless of ability to pay.

    This included illegals and any other class of criminal or criminal activity and their families if any. The same probably applies to all schools and school districts for the children.

    The easy fix is cure the problem at it's source which is not in Mexico but in Washington DC. The idea is called No Funding No Mandate. The government would be required to pay the entire cost of any of their laws or regulations or the law or regulation would be stricken as moot and meaningless. This includes using ethanol for the entire cost of purchasing at the pump price and the cost of engine replacement. Said payment like those for medical treatment for illegals paid as the first item above all other entitlement schemes on each years budget. The cost of medical treatment is easily solved. The federal government would be required to pay the bill in a timely manner 30 days or less or...stipulated bureaucrats and elected officials would be individually and personally liable and subject to any scofflaw, criminal indictment or civil suit without further ado. No exemption for Congress.

    Should the debt not be settled the government would bve required to dun the home country. Import and tarifff penalties, a subtraction of any foreign aid, and so forth. That includes, especially for felons the cost of apprehension, trial, punishment.

    Employers of illegal employees also arrested, jailed, fined, convicted with fines and jail sentences.

    On the other side of the coin work with countries like Mexico to make it easier to obtain passports and with the passport holder to obtain visas. that specifically includes Braceros

    Hospital bills, legal bills, cost of hamburgers in No Funding No mandate accrue 100 % plus interest to the level of government involved.

    Te last part of this is another elegant solution. but requires Congress to state on the cover page the full intent of the new bill, law or act, the authorizing or constitutional provision. the funding amount and it's source.in the annual budget.

    Absent any of the above The document is stamped Not Funded No Mandate No Requirement.

    Would the cost be passed on t the taxpayer? Of course. but for how long?

    Elegant solution number three. All Congressionals work for their home state and are subject to recall, all states have initiative referendum and recall, The States pay their salary as delegates to the national congress.

    The only two exempt are the only two elected federal positions President and Vice-President or in Gore's case in charge of vice.

    I left out some on purpose time and space constraints but Bill of Rights and the Elegant Rights would come first the congress and bureaucrats living off the hind t-it.

    Finallly another elegant solution is federal property which is not protected turned over to the State or sale at the highest bid tendered.

    Right there I'm speaking of the strip of land that lies between Tucson and Phoenix and extend u and past the center of the state. 3,000 or one combat brigade at a time is all that's needed bu they can't or won't protect our own country.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 3 months ago
    Its all smoke and mirrors. Clearly Bernie doesn't have a clue about the health care industry. Back in the day long before technology hit the scene and medical care was delivered on a one to one basis the hospital administrators sought and achieved tax exempt status from the IRS. The stipulation was that hospital would provide community service for the poor and less fortunate. So how has that worked out? My premise is that had health care remained "for profit" the horrendous burden placed on the health care industry by the poor and illegals would not have occurred. The health care people are compassionate and 80 years ago the health care providers took care of people. The same would have happened today but hospital administrators would have the right to refuse treatment. The free ride would be over. The unintended consequences of tax exempt status is a major player in the health care fiasco in which we live.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely! If you want lower cost quality health care you need to focus on health care not paying for a government enforced monopoly. Open up the use of technology to provide lower cost tools to manage and improve health. Laws against "practicing medicine without a license" are stifling our ability to do it better for less.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
    “I think if we can guarantee healthcare to all people comprehensive healthcare, no deductibles, and if we can cut people’s healthcare bill substantially.”

    Hmmm. Is there a statement of anything there?
    All I see is If this and , If that. There is no statement of If this ... then that will result.
    Its not even a campaign promise.

    I am still waiting for someone running for president to have the balls to expose all the politicians doublespeak as nothing more than a confidence game backed up by the muscle of a protection racket.

    Mr. Johnson, stand up and be heard. Pull back the curtain on the Wizard of Oz.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
    Average annual income right now is $49,000 before taxes.Thats middle class. Assuming that's one third will divide zero to that dollar figure in three and give one third to the lower half of the median. 16,333,33 or roughly everything above $32,666 past the median to Hmmm how do you judge the upper third. I'll get back to you on that. This is soft ball.

    As it turns out I'm just a hair below the national average for the average taxpayer.

    Mr. Sanders says IF someone was paying $10,000 for private insurance and IF it was replaced it with a mandatory single payer government insurance featuring a $5000 increase Mr. IF would have $5,000 extra in their pocket.

    I pay $1200 at $100 a month plus an annual premium totaling around $1500 not $10,000 and Sanders proposed I pay $5,000 more. so I'm reallly not quite sure where his figures come from but no matter. Facts aren't required.

    The reason at median national average income I pay that amount is I'm retired military AND have social security. AND a small union payout. Not everyone gets that as it requires a small payment up front of 20 plus years of military service and none of it in the pentagon. SMILE I was a real soldier.

    But the point is I live in FNA most of the year and pay cash since none of that government medicine is valid outside the country.

    It's also 40% of the cost of US medicine and by the way I dropped Delta Dental for that very reason.

    What Bernie Bear doesn't tell us is this. Is Government medical worth the extra $5,000.00? Or will I still need to add say $5,000 a year in extra catastrophic insurance like the Canadians?

    I'd go look it up on Google but.....It's a Larry King post. Have a nice day! Unless you have made other plans.





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