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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago
    For years, government has tried to get americans to use LESS oil and gas. So now its here- cars get better mileage, homes are better insulated, and demand drops. At the same time, supplies increase through innovation. The government's response is to try to increase THEIR income through a $1 tax per gallon. I say they can go fu&& themselves.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago
    It's the same scenario if prices were rising. They should state their personal favorite price.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I saw the stock market in China went up when they reported their worst growth in 25 years. The expectation is they will do their version of QE. It seems government pumping on bad news is considered normal now. Wonder what happens if they do nothing???
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 3 months ago
    I am somewhat worried because the actual amount of increase in supply doesn't justify this fast and deep a drop. There has been a very large decrease in demand. Why? I am not sure of all the why details but one very large part is that China is starting to reap the results of its top down command and control version of "capitalism". Its misinvestments and printing of money are coming home hard. A lot of the Chinese explosize growth is slowing and this is hitting commodities across the board including oil. It is also rippling out to other banks and businesses and countries deeply dependent on Chinese high demand. That imho is no small part of what is happening.

    I feel a bit like one does standing at the ocean seeing the water line much much further out than normal. Beware.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All retail numbers are down. Great timing too. The actual numbers were reported the day after the State of the Union when Obama told us how great things are. Most people heard that and will listen to nothing else.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the answer is more probably than not it is the government taking advantage of the prices to nefariously raise taxes starting with fuel taxes.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What are the prices in the retail stores at the mall.Traditionally they are sky high at the best of times compared to shopping centers and other types of retailers. On the other hand maybe people are paying credit cards and using the difference to speed up that effort.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I would be in shock if government spending declines but likely for a different reason. :)
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was thinking of the damage to the fracking industry. Oil is too cheap to make it profitable right now.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
    Those pundits would be totally freaked out of government spending declined.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure if Obama is enjoying. He wants energy high so we can all go solar and save the polar bears. But then again cheap oil will make it easier to tax per Michael's point.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have heard that idea floated. The administration seems to be at a loss as to why the retail numbers are so bad. It's so cheap now to drive to the mall and spend our gas savings the numbers should be up according to government sources.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
    It is caused by the new oil fields a huge surplus and we're exporting oil now for the first time since 1970. That's the supply/demand side and pure economics at play.
    HOWEVER

    The Government side has two faces. Yes they will take credit and probably hope it will drive the price down because there's a Catch 22...

    They are also talking and actively workingi at raising the federal fuel tax since all that savings is really 'found money' and the government wants it's fair share. (BIG tongue in cheek on the explanation. But a tax hike is in the mill.)
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hi Abaco. I keep worrying that I am a conspiracy theorist. I wonder if someone is pulling the strings and causing this for nefarious reasons.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago
    They shouldn't be too worried. I've had to study this a bit. Some people find negative in everything. The low oil prices are not a cause, but a result. They have resulted in a glut of production and drop in demand. The drop in demand, largely, is from a slowing economy. I could say a few things about how this could affect those seeking high-yield, fixed-income products....but I won't.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The drop is hurting Russia and our fracking industry. Two things the Obama administration must be enjoying.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have the idea that it is both normal because demand is down and political maneuvering. Other factors include fracking & sanctions lifted on Iran. I'm sure there is more but cannot think of them right now.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good reasons. I was thinking if the price was actually market driven that occasional dips would increase demand and the price would go back up. Oil is so manipulated I can't figure out if this is normal price fluctuations or high stakes political maneuvering.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago
    My guess is there are at least 2 reasons.

    First, many people have bought paper oil at $80 a barrel or greater and are losing big on it now.

    Second and the bigger issue is the governments that set budgets on selling $80 oil and will not have the money to fund all their handouts with low oil prices. Not much different than our own government that spends every single dime + it takes in on programs that we cannot afford.
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