Impact of Palin's Endorsement?

Posted by krevello 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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I've heard a lot of talk about Palin's motivations/the impact of her endorsement of Trump, but nothing about what it's done to conservatism in the country. My personal opinion is that it's seriously undermined the position and ideology of conservatives and really ushered in a lot of doubt. Wondering if anyone else agrees/has a different take.


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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I heard the same actually.. from more than one source, but I can't validate it either.

    If she did, it's game over. That is citizenship. She did at least have permanent residency and work visa while working there... For most immigrants here, their home country would not recognize their children born here as citizens of say India or the UK.

    Commonwealth countries are a little different, they are recognized as British subjects, obviously, we are not a Commonwealth country but Canada certainly is. I don't know anything about the specific countries and policies, but I do know it varies by locale.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    His plan for building a wall is actually quite sound, the President can, by foreign policy, stop wire transfers from the Fed to a foreign country by way of embargo or sanction. Either the president or congress can impose sanctions, but one cannot lift those imposed by the other.

    Stopping wire transfers from immigrants here back to Mexico and embargoing the oil sale would tremendously stress the Mexican government. He's been saying all along, it's their problem, they need to fix it and pay for it. I don't disagree with that assessment. They don't do anything to stop the central americans from riding trains across their southern border (or walking across it) on their way here either.

    If Mexico allowed my wife and I for example to inherit and own her family's ancestral villa in PV, maybe my views (and hers) would be different, but we cannot legally own it, so someone in her siblings needs to get dual citizenship, or the government will seize it when her father dies. Do we do that to Mexican residents here? of course not. Get in an accident in Mexico? You either get a air-evac back to the US, or you might die there. It's not an equal partnership, it never has been.

    The "pet programs" he talks about in smaller groups is amplifying HUD redevelopment funds to rebuild our inner cities. The source of strife in America, the chaos in the streets, is all rooted in poverty. If you didn't have a car and have to take a bus 10 miles or walk there to go to a grocery store if you live in South Central LA, your view of the world is probably different than say, mine, where I live outside Lake Tahoe and even here in the mountains I walk to a corner grocery store or Starbucks in under 500 feet.

    The 'war on poverty' was handouts, it was never a hand-up. Now, it's so bad, no sane-minded business person would ever build something back in the ghetto... but what does work is helping a few that grew up in those places, got out, went to school, and instead of going to work for Goldman Sachs, help them (or make it easier for them) to bring those skills and entrepreneurship back to their community. Everywhere it is tried, it seems to work (LeBron James in Cleveland is a good example).

    How do you win back a growing base of the party, reduce the cost of government, and bring back conservative values? You have to move the needle back in our direction. Show them what conservatism is about. It will take some priming of the pump obviously, but when there is money to be made, it will pour in. You gotta create a model though.

    These communities are sick of the last 50 years, nothing changes, nothing gets better.

    So, would you rather have someone like Hillary or Bernie or Cruz planning future communities? Or would you think Trump might know a little more about real estate development...
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought we were talking about party primaries and caucuses. You've switched to talking about general elections. My point was simply that the Iowa Republican caucuses are decidedly not bastions of leftism. Palin's endorsement might actually help Trump in that race to some small degree.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She is a perfect match for Trump. Both understand reality show ratings and what the public will swallow. If she can help him get shortsighted voters to the polls, he wins...we lose.

    Right now, people want a "hero" to save them and they don't want to peek under the "mask" of the one with a big "T" on his chest at the top of Trump tower. Enter Palin, who says Trump is the "one"...because she gets paid well to say it.
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  • Posted by roneida 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    richrobinson,,, The public opinion of Palin matters not to me, but what I like about her presence is that she drives the socialist-libs absolutely insane with their hatred. There is no person that drives them as screaming rabid as Sarah Palin does. Remember the insane drivel that bimbo from SNL used to rescue her TV career? The lefties fall into fits even thinking about Palins popularity and public regard.She brings out there base operating tactic which is to destroy the messenger and never debate the message. Glad Sarah is on board and drawing
    hatred from the crazies...she exposes their weakness just by being alive.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok, let me clarify. Iowa has cast its electoral college votes for a Republican presidential candidate once out of the last 8 presidential elections... New Hampshire has about the same voting record, so that Live Free or Die stuff is kind of bunk. California has the same record... Alabama for example is 11 out of the last 12.. Alaska has only voted once for a Democrat (in 1964), Arizona only once since 1948, even Arkansas is a more reliable red state than Iowa (9 out of 12 cycles).

    As for the political center, that moves farther right as you move west as a rule of thumb. I'm from Minnesota originally, all my family still lives there, I know the politics there well and it's moving right, but will still be a blue state for a long time yet. Republicans in Minnesota barely meet the standards to be a democrat in the west. If you don't have signs up on your restaurants by the front door as to whether you can carry your side arm in or not, you're not really that conservative overall (would be my opinion).
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump will have his own "pet programs." He just hasn't told us what they are yet other building an enormous wall costing billions, hunting down and expelling 12 million illegals spread across the U.S. at a cost of billions more, pouring unlimited tax dollars into the VA and, of course, killing lots of people in the middle east at an additional cost of billions. These "pet programs" are enough to feed lots of government contractors for a long time.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    None of those 27% are Republicans. The Iowa caucuses are closed to non-party members. Republicans in Iowa are very socially conservative by national standards. It is not a "leftist bastion" by any stretch of the imagination. Remember, their last two caucus winners were Huckabee and Santorum. It's hard to get further socially right than that. New Hampshire has an open primary system. They supported McCain. It is very different than Iowa.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    What most conservatives never have understood about Palin is that she is not a conservative per se, she is more a Tea Party person. Further, what the conservatives also don't understand is that the Tea Party is the party of outrage. It was born out of resentment to Obama and his policies, such as Obamacare. It has conservatives, Democrats, blacks and independents all squished together and their common cause is the extreme left of Obama. Trump perfectly fits their agenda. He could be called Mr. Tea Party he fits their ideals so well. So does our Sara. The Tea Party got its conservative label from the press. It was easier for them to slap that label on them than to do true research as to what they were all about. Ms. Palin's endorsement will not hurt Trump, but solidify him as a spokesman for her and the Tea Party's cause.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 9 years, 3 months ago
    I cannot stand her voice! Very annoying. So, do you agree with all of the "Conservative" authors who came out against Trump? (They were on the Kelley File). They do not think he is the "face" for America.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 3 months ago
    I used to be as liberal as they come. Or so I thought. Then I became wiser and saw how intolerant liberals are. Go figure. Now I incline right but don't consider myself a conservative. What I've notice that I don't like about some prominent conservatives is they think others are not conservative enough. Go figure. I believe the best thing Palin has done is to go rogue years ago. By doing so she exposed the flaws of both parties and dropped the PC pervasiveness. Trump, I think, is a Palin likeness on steroids. That is the attraction from his supporters. So in that sense, yes, Palin will help him (but not a game changer). I believe that if Trump were not running these elections, we would be hearing the usual political BS of every elections. If Trump is the candidate, I will vote for him. But, I not sure if I would vote for him in a primaries. Nevertheless, thank you Trump and thank you Palin. I like the fresh air.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago
    I heard a Fox talking head opine that Palin perceives the winner and is looking for a "Drill, baby, drill!" cabinet job.
    I'm now retired but recall valuing a steady job.
    Yawn, now I prefer naps.
    Yawn is also my perception of any Palin endorsement, though I watched it.
    An excitable grizzled mama kinda gal, ain't she?
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only an FYI. I considered myself a strong Tea Party supporter and very much liked Palin back when she was selected for VP. In fact that was the only way McCain got my vote. Of course I would never have voted Obama either. It would have been a no vote election for me.

    The announcement for Trump has changed my opinion of Palin as she no longer supports my values. Just saying.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Palin was a net positive. The ONLY time McCain moved ahead was right after he picked Palin. After he suspended his campaign to go to Washington and sign on to the bail-out, NOTHING was going to help him. And nothing did.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've liked Kasich in the past and he certainly seems to have done well in Ohio. But I'm really sick of every debate statement mentioning back when he was in congress and currently in Ohio. I got the resume, talk about the subject.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She's also been unemployed a while, might be a good Sec of Interior.

    Trump is on record as far back as his keynote at the 88 convention with strong support for vets and that morphed to include first responders after 9/11.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She has a loyal following and had her own TV show for a while. And while the leftists like to pan her (as they did when she was McCain's running mate) she destroyed Biden in the VP debates.

    Her endorsement means nothing to me, however. I wasn't going to vote for Trump and her endorsement doesn't change that.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, the value of Palin is that she endorsed and campaigned for Cruz into the senate, she snubbed him now, but his actual ability to govern and make rational decisions in my opinion is suspect. It's not a one-man band, when everyone left the room and went home and he kept going... While I agree with his message and intent, I don't see him as someone that can balance his emotions out.

    He's also a Canadian anchor baby, I'm not confident he would defeat an eligibility challenge. His mom had a work permit and had legitimately immigrated, not just there for the holiday.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
    Doesn't really matter to me, but I rarely pay attention to endorsements anyway. One politician talking up another politician? Not only do I not want to hear it, but to me its all about the issues - not the endorsements.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump is unusual in that way, it's not the best job he's ever had, nor does he use establishment money... That is evil-talk to the beltway piglets suckling on the taxpayer. Their pet programs are in deep trouble.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 3 months ago
    I really liked Palin at first, especially when she had the disabled child. She could have quietly aborted it, and the fact that she didnt ment she was willing to accept the results of her beliefs. However I lost respect for her when she didnt finish out her term as Govenor of Alaska.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The caribou barnyard is a bubbly airhead. She lost the election for mc Cain. And all she can do is help Hillary and sanders this time
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