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Rand Paul Drops Out

Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Potentially the best offering from the GOP has suspended his campaign... The writing was on the wall. He wasn't going to get the nomination. The support was not there in numbers large enough to force the establishment in Washington, or in the MSM to sit up and notice. Without that he appeared as a wall flower. For may Objectivists determined to stand on principle, the third party candidate Gary Johnson looks even more attractive. No?


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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you're all being too hard on CircuitGuy. His reverse of voting for the lesser of two evils is just as valid as the standard form. In a way, it's what the Gulchers did. By striking they hastened the implosion of government and society. Wasn't there a long-term goal to rebuild it? If electing Hillary destroys the world then those with ability can try to rebuild it. (I'd never, ever vote for Hillary, but I understand the thinking.) Every time you put a fresh layer of dressing over rotting flesh you're extending the misery. Rip the bandage off and cut out the rot! Only then can healing begin.

    [The only wasted vote is one cast for a candidate that you don't actually want to see in office on his own merits.]
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe accountability issues on the socialist policies- how they cost a lot in many hidden ways but in the end dont deliver. War on drugs, Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, War on terror, public schools. Its time to put the socialists' feet to the fire and investigate just how effective their programs are IN PRACTICE. Trump does a better job at pointing out those things, which is why I want to see 4 years of him in there.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only wasted vote is one cast for a candidate that you don't actually want to see in office on his own merits.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, but he also did not have a coherent message. At the end he tried to get the evangelicals, with his abortion play.

    His key issue should have been the NSA and the over reach of the regulatory state.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "votes diverted for Ross Perot"

    I was on the state central committee of the LP of Connecticut for quite a few years. Nothing made us happier than to be spoilers. We had a candidate or two in close races come to us asking our candidate to back out. We were steadfast in our reply, "If you run on a libertarian platform we won't need to run against you. If not, we're more than happy to spoil the race."
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just came back from visiting Jefferson's house and museum. One gets a good taste of how hard it would be to get enough consensus to actually start a country. I suspect if Jefferson came back to life now, he would look around and say something like "I was afraid this was going to happen..." I think he knew that the constitution had enough compromises in it that it wouldnt last that long.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only god knows what Cruz will do, since only HE (whoever it is actually) tells Cruz how to act.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem is that they dont get things for free when all is said and done. But accountability is absent when it comes to socialist proposals. I hope Trump, with his political incorrectness, can point these things out and help put an end to this madness. I do not that gulchers seem to hate Trump with almost the same ferocity that the statists love socialism. Gulchers should praise Trump's political incorrectness.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, that's the way it has to be. We must keep in mind that a Democrat president would get to appoint liberals and socialists to the Supreme Court. That would be a disaster that I'm afraid our country would never recover from.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like seeing Trump in the race just for the extreme candor and the chaos that he spreads. Chaos and disruption may be the best we can hope for in Washington. Whenever I'm around people that are complaining about a "do nothing" congress, or gridlock, I tell them that if I weren't an atheist I'd pray for gridlock every day. Then I explain why.

    I'd love to see a guy campaign on a single promise. "If elected I solemnly swear never to set foot in Washington."
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm hoping Rand will keep being Rand, and I hope that he'll swing more libertarian as the years pass. If he were nominated I'd vote for him with a clear conscience even though he's not libertarian enough. I couldn't vote for Cruz with a clear conscience. To my knowledge he favors good economic policies but, to turn their own phrase against them, "they" have to stop forcing their beliefs on me!

    A few election cycles ago I decided that I couldn't vote for the lesser of two evils any more and I couldn't vote for someone unless I actually wanted them to win. If Gary Johnson makes it on the ballot in CT I'll vote for him. It's true he stands no chance but it's anything but a protest vote. The only wasted vote is one cast for a candidate that you don't actually want to see in office on his own merits.

    I like to imagine a future where we have instant runoff voting, where everyone marks their first, second, and third choices. I think that would make people feel secure enough that they'd vote their real first choice and then the lesser of two evils as their second choice. People might get a wake-up call when Johnson pulled huge numbers. Maybe not win, but numbers big enough to frighten the pants off our current rulers.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We have to learn what the attraction to socialism is based on, and attack it there. Otherwise, people just ignore what we are saying and proceed on with socialism. Look at Venezuela- even whats happening there doesnt seem to convince people that socialism is bankrupt. People here need to see whats in store for them under a socialist collapse.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would NEVER, EVER vote for Hillary. She is a lying and manipulative reincarnation of Nixon. I would vote for Sanders before Hillary (might as well get it all over with quicker). I hope Trump makes it to the nomination or at least runs as an independent. I would vote for him simply because he tells it like it is (for a change) and we need to stop the lying and manipulation in washington. Bring how these policies havent worked (war on drugs, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, war on Terror, etc). We imprison more people than any other country, and it hasnt accomplished much at all.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He isnt giving away goodies to the entitled masses. That was his problem in this culture.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rubio sounds good in his speeches, but I dont really trust him. He panders too much. He is also as much of a religious zealot at Cruz. Who knows what their "gods" would tell them to do when they had the pen. Trump is the only one who is sufficiently politically correct to actually stand up for us citizens and run the country more like a business.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The sad reality is that the vast majority of the population will put up with almost anything to get something for free.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The candidate who offers the most goodies seems to win- those goodies need to be paid for by enough politically-weak people (sheep). Cruz is a religious zealot who seems to pander to the evangelicals. As to the actual things he would do as president, I suspect he is basically part of the system as a senator and will continue on whats been done in the past. The only one who is a disrupting force for the establishment is TRUMP. We need someone like that who will stand up and tell us all how the stupid programs that have been put into place just dont work. No one else is going to be politically incorrect and say those things.
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  • Posted by saucerdesigner 9 years, 2 months ago
    I'm in agreement with those who feel that his endorsement of Mitt Romney did him in. If that wasn't bad enough, he pledges support for Israel. That does it for me.

    Besides, here's the litmus test:
    "...therefore, here is what you must know. Given that the official story is patently absurd, anyone, I mean anyone who promotes the official story, who accepts the official story, who oppresses those who doubt the official story, who does not question the official story, is involved or too stupid to pat their head and chew gum at the same time. Any presidential candidate who does not dispute the official story is a traitor to their nation and a tool of those who accomplished this attack. It all comes down to 911. Everything that has happened has happened based on a lie. Everyone in government, in the media, in entertainment, in organized religion, in the public eye, and the public who accept and promote the official story is either a traitor or a tool. Everyone who does not stand forth and speak the truth to power is a coward, a liar and complicit in mass murder. Everyone, everywhere can be measured according to this litmus test." ~ Les Visible & The Heretic - 911 is the Litmus Test

    https://youtu.be/p6O4LE0eTYc
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
    At this point, the choice becomes moot: vote against whomever is selected for the Democrat candidate. The Republican candidate will obviously be the only choice that can garner enough votes to deny socialist candidates the office, so like them or not, any Republican gets my vote.
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