I see videos similiar to this fairly frequently (think Fox News' "Watters' World"). While I think there is no doubt that the educational system in this country is lacking I often wonder how "accurate" these types of videos are. Obviously, they're trying to prove a point so they aren't going to show you 10 people in a row getting the question right. How many people did they actual ask and what percentage got the answers wrong vs. right.
WATTERS SWEARS THAT HE JUST STOPS PEOPLE AT RANDOM AND DOESN'T SORT THEM OUT. FRANKLY, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THIS WAS TRUE. (Hmm...I had the caps lock button on. Could be some sub-conscious something?)
At first I felt sorry these tech students. I would have responded the same way if that girl had approached me 20 years ago as an engineering student, even though I knew the answers. She ruled that explanation out, though, by asking them control questions that they did know. So it's scary.
A big part of the problem is allowing students to adjust their tests to the correct answer following an exam which inflates their test score. Thus, we have grade inflation. An "A" today is not what an "A" was in my school era. Therefore, the kids in the video might be straight "A" students today, but forty years ago would be "C" students - if that.
I have never heard of that practice. They change their answers before the exams are handed in for grading? At what grade level is this happening? Do you know where, even generally? If possible I'd like to search for a published story about that, or an editorial, or anything!
I remember going over exams after they were handed back and the teacher going over each question and giving the answer, or figuring out the answer if it was math, chemistry or physics, etc.
Agreed about the do-overs and that is what I remind my daughter - daily. Not a second quiz but then same one. Usually the teacher gives half credit for the corrected answer provided by the student which then improves their grade. I am not sure how many schools do this but I imagine there are a significant number given the competitive nature of non-public (and some public) high schools and colleges. They boast a high acceptance rate into higher education but forget about the crash and burn rate.
This is not about free education. It's about society's progressive dumbing-down, and the failure of schools to deliver even the most basic foundation of awareness of the country in which students are growing up.
What surprised me is that I'm not American, I have only spent 6 months total in the USA in the last 30 years, but I knew a lot more than those students.
Admittedly, I bombed out on the actual year of the US Declaration of Independence (though I knew it was late 18th century), and bombed out even worse on the pop culture questions at the end.
Are you a Zappa fan? If you are you've found another one in me. A real genius. When I started studying music composition, I couldn't afford a tutor but my music teacher told me to go to the library and take out the sheet music and read it while listening to the music. In those days they had 78 records, earphones and the sheet music and I spent many hours going through the Beethoven string quartets. I learned harmony and counterpoint that way before I ever entered college. I was amazed then, and still am how so much music could come out of only 4 instruments.
This explains the support for Bernie Sanders. I've watched him try to explain how he thinks we'll pay for all of the "free" stuff he talks about, and he's given at least three different answers: first, he said he'd tax the "one percent" to cover it; when that didn't work, he said he'd increase tax on everyone who made over $250K annually (channeling Obama there); finally, when that didn't work, he said how wonderful it would be that when everyone was paying more tax, their expenses for the free stuff would be so much less. One would think that such flawed ignorance of basic economics would sink Sanders, but the truth is that a large part of our population would be willing to give up most of their income in exchange for not having to take the effort to make choices. To these folk, the idea of state-run clinics, schools, and commercial markets has appeal, just like it led so many others down the destructive path of socialist, authoritarian states many times before. I never thought I'd see such widespread, dangerous ignorance in this country.
They're not willing to put out the effort to acquire the things they claim they want. The truth is, they don't want YOU to have the things they claim to want. It's preemptive theft; they don't have it, and they're making sure you can't get it either. Call them "commandments" if you must, but DON'T COVET; that's the root of the problem.
And you think this is new! How about going back to the 1970's and you will begin to see the beginnings so why are people surprised that the youth of america is plain old stupid.Would you higher any of them for anything other than to serve soda?
It's only partly their fault. Don't confuse ignorance with stupidity. There are two thing operating. 1. Bad, really bad education. 2. A culture in decline.
ignorance is in effect when one is not exposed to something, stupidity is when one gets the exposure and regardless what you do they simply do not absorb the information. They are stupid. They have not been taught ti think!
It starts with the actual refusal to learn. In some cases, when talking to 'teens in certain ghetto type slums, one cannot comprehend a word they say. It's as if they are limited to an Esperanto of twenty or so words. But that's a foisted stupidity. A truly stupid person is one who cannot learn, for whatever reason. They may actually be preferable to the ghetto person.
have you ever heard george carlin's explanation of what the real owners of the country want,people who don't think and just become workers, etc. most interesting. you can find it on youtube. but these owners have in my opinion out done themselves by creating a dumbed down society people who do not think, that is why it is possible that hillary can get elected.
Yes. The "dumbing down" has been going on for many years. To get a glimpse of what society can become, see if you can find a copy of the short story, "The Marching Morons" by Cyril M. Kornbluth. Funny and tragic at the same time.
why limit your experience to the ghetto the middle class kits and upper class kits are no different, refer back to the video that started this conversation.
Occupy Democrats ran this to show how most people are brainwashed by the mainstream media. So, in posting it here, did you (Bruceforge) validate your support for Occupy Democrats or was it your intention to demonstrate that self-styled admirers of Ayn Rand are just knee-jerk conservatives? Was something else in play? Inquiring minds want to know.
Personally, I don't care what shadow motives are behind this or other videos like this ("Watter's World," etc.). The mere fact that even one American college student cannot answer the most basic questions regarding their country is a disgrace. It is a condemnation of our education system and an embarrassment to the country.
As for ignorance, why does the ignorant interviewer call it the "Civil War"? The southern states were not trying to take over the capital and make slavery universal. They just wanted to withdraw from the federal union. The "War of Southern Secession" or the "War Between the States" is a better description. The Russian Civl War was a civil war. The wars between Roman imperators were civil wars.
He/she would use "Civil War" because that's the commonly used term for it. If they don't know what the Civil War was, they sure as hell wouldn't know what the War of Southern Secession was.
In your comment were you intending to prove that you are just a typical knee jerk conservative capable of such an obvious and basic logical flaw as discounting the contents of the video based merely on who posted it to Facebook? Because you did a good job of it.
There are all sorts of videos like this. Posted by left and right leaning people. They all show that the typical American has difficulty answering basic questions of history, politics, and current affairs. The salient question about any such video is awebb's question. Not who posted the video. A secondary question is does this video match up with your own experiences with others? I would say yes. And a third question is are there more scientific polls that bear on the same conclusion. I'm not sure but think it is likely.
"A slightly higher proportion of American adults qualify as scientifically literate than European or Japanese adults, but the truth is that no major industrial nation in the world today has a sufficient number of scientifically literate adults," he said. "We should take no pride in a finding that 70 percent of Americans cannot read and understand the science section of the New York Times."
(But 30% can -- and the NYT does have a science section, after all.)
If you like this check out Mark Dice. I'm a big fan.
We are in a lot of trouble. Some argue that there has been a master plan to produce a dumbed-down population. At this time, I agree. There certainly has been. You don't get this stupid without trying...
Winston Churchill once observed "The best argument against democracy can be found in a five minute conversation with the common man." Our Constitution protects our right to be a fool, it does not protect us from the consequences of being a fool. I used to teach college freshman level physics and astronomy but every year the number of students that were functionally illiterate grew and I found my self teaching at a lower and lower level. When I was forced to teach college students at the sixth grade level I finally gave up. The Watters World phenomena is a terrifying reality and may well be the harbinger of a dark future for the country.
While it would be nice get the government out of education completely, that is not realistic in the foreseeable future. Maybe there is a way to wean people away from it. “Real spending per pupil ranges from a low of nearly $12,000 in the Phoenix area schools to a high of nearly $27,000 in the New York metro area.” That was in 2010. By 2012, DC was spending almost $30,000.
The Cato institute, as far back as 1983, pointed out the trend to lower quality education was alarming. And, by 2016, 10% of the college graduates thought television’s Judge Judy was on the U.S. Supreme Court. The dumbing down is complete.
Given the failure of government schools to educate, let’s try the market to supply the education. Simply issue to each parent a voucher equal to or less than the amount now spent by government for each student. Private schools would pop up, pay for the construction of the physical plant, pay taxes (yes, damn it, pay taxes) on the property, recruit and hire the needed personnel, and remove the entire burden from bureaucrats.
The parents then select the schools that actually teach what the parents want their children to learn, and the schools must compete to get students.
Sure, the government is still paying for the education — this removes a major objection by entrenched education people and those who love anything statist. At the same time, it opens vast new opportunities for parents to send their children to schools that can teach the children how to think and not indoctrinate them.
Who will oppose this? The list is long but starts with the teachers unions, all government school administrators, politicians supported by teachers and other unions, and anyone else now feasting at the trough of incompetency through education.
To add insult to injury.. its just not TX... If a person is too ignorant to pass the test.. you just lower the score to pass: http://www.heraldonline.com/latest-ne...
The same future voters that don't know who they will vote for until they go into the voting booth... The same ones that Bernie Sanders brings in by the dozen promising more free stuff.
After watching this, and having seen Idiocracy in 2007, I'm certain we're doomed. I am also certain the creators of Idiocracy, when looked back on historically, will be seen as great prognosticators. Of course, that is only if someone from the present makes it to the future.
If you want to have some present day, real life fun on your own try this:
Ask a young adult, who is wearing an analog watch (usually something big, shiny with some designer's initials on it) for the time. Watch what happens (hint: you will soon know what brand cell phone they use.)
Now granted one can argue that analog timepieces are going the way of the sundial, but what about this next one:
Next time a cashier from a mall store rings you up for something like 30.17, hand the cashier two $20 bills and a quarter, sit back and enjoy. Make sure you're not in a hurry when you do this.
Back in the earlyish 1980's I worked at a discount store based in the east, Caldor (hoorah for Caldor!). I mainly worked in the camera dept (the manager there had been a student in my grandfather's math class, nice to have connections) but also worked the front registers if they needed me. It didn't take long before I made change in my head before the register displayed it.
That was also back when most cashiers would count your change back for you. "You gave me 40.25, 0.17 and .08's a quarter and 10's $40. Thanks for shopping at Caldor." These days if you did that most of the customers would not even understand what you meant.
I used to love doing your second example all the time. But retailers have caught on that they can save so much money by hiring an idiot with minimal money cognizance and put in a good computer system. Then they train them to just put in the total received and the computer will tell them exactly what to return to the customer (if the register doesn't do it itself). I have seen the screen that said "1 ten dollar bill, 1 nickel, 3 pennies change". Real shame, really, that this is what the educational system has come to.
until the electricity is cut off as happened to me. I bought an item the sales tax was 7% the item was 19.99. I quickly rounded to 20 did 7% of ten dollars (70 cents) and doubled it for $1.40 total $21.40 Handed the clerk a $20 and a five since I had no ones and said here's the product description code enter it later.
He almost called the cops but i walked out with my purchase anyway.
9 out of 10 high schoolers applying for jobs in my store failed the same test.
That's true! What does that say about these young adults that I automatically think of them as children! It's not just because I'm old. I just can't imagine them surviving on their own. Wait a minute, that does make it that I think they are kids because I'm old. What I think are necessary survival skills are no longer needed - at least as long as there is an ever present power source.
No... we can exist in both worlds they cannot. All it takes is a power failure or the reinstatement to active use of the draft act. then they can blame grandpa and grandma for not quitting until that evil travesty was no more. Now...the government doesn't have draft. That little card they signed is agreeing to reporting for duty when and where called. They are already in governments version of volunteer mode. This government care if people complain? Ha ha ha ha ha the people didn't care all these years why should the government treat them any different.
This video and others I've seen (Watter's World, Man On The Street and more) of ignorant young adults being questioned reveals why they born in the USA would think old Bolshevik Bernie's socialism is such a cool thing. At this point I was not even surprised when black Millennials did not who won the Civil War. I almost posted this the other day. What do Bernie supporters know about sociasm~
Millennials know nothing re: socialism or any other -ism, except freeism. If its free, they know about it and want it. Anyone promising the free stuff is their hero, thus, the "o". Nothing surprising here. Just where the country is headed, hopefully, long after I'm gone. At 70+, who knows when that will be.
It is absolutely scary how little real history America's youth know today. And the real problem is that those who do not know history, can't even learn from it to avoid repeating it.
Wow! Excellent! An these people can all vote...great.
My kids are NOT among these. My daughter did a report of altruism and Ayn Rand and asked to watch Atlas Shrugged! Read it...maybe not. I'm hoping for Dragon riders of Pern first.
I remember going over exams after they were handed back and the teacher going over each question and giving the answer, or figuring out the answer if it was math, chemistry or physics, etc.
If it's the second one there are some kids who are in for some nasty surprises! There aren't a lot of do-overs in real life!
What surprised me is that I'm not American, I have only spent 6 months total in the USA in the last 30 years, but I knew a lot more than those students.
Admittedly, I bombed out on the actual year of the US Declaration of Independence (though I knew it was late 18th century), and bombed out even worse on the pop culture questions at the end.
Does not apply to the hard sciences and mathematics.
too much of the rest is just repeating back what the professor wrote in his book then forget about it.
Making BA Bachelor of Art-ful dodging?
both mine in A not S. I agree with Zappa I received far better service from books.
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but these owners have in my opinion out done themselves by creating a dumbed down society people who do not think, that is why it is possible that hillary can get elected.
The "dumbing down" has been going on for many years. To get a glimpse of what society can become, see if you can find a copy of the short story, "The Marching Morons" by Cyril M. Kornbluth. Funny and tragic at the same time.
There are all sorts of videos like this. Posted by left and right leaning people. They all show that the typical American has difficulty answering basic questions of history, politics, and current affairs. The salient question about any such video is awebb's question. Not who posted the video. A secondary question is does this video match up with your own experiences with others? I would say yes. And a third question is are there more scientific polls that bear on the same conclusion. I'm not sure but think it is likely.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/...
"A slightly higher proportion of American adults qualify as scientifically literate than European or Japanese adults, but the truth is that no major industrial nation in the world today has a sufficient number of scientifically literate adults," he said. "We should take no pride in a finding that 70 percent of Americans cannot read and understand the science section of the New York Times."
(But 30% can -- and the NYT does have a science section, after all.)
We are in a lot of trouble. Some argue that there has been a master plan to produce a dumbed-down population. At this time, I agree. There certainly has been. You don't get this stupid without trying...
The Cato institute, as far back as 1983, pointed out the trend to lower quality education was alarming. And, by 2016, 10% of the college graduates thought television’s Judge Judy was on the U.S. Supreme Court. The dumbing down is complete.
Given the failure of government schools to educate, let’s try the market to supply the education. Simply issue to each parent a voucher equal to or less than the amount now spent by government for each student. Private schools would pop up, pay for the construction of the physical plant, pay taxes (yes, damn it, pay taxes) on the property, recruit and hire the needed personnel, and remove the entire burden from bureaucrats.
The parents then select the schools that actually teach what the parents want their children to learn, and the schools must compete to get students.
Sure, the government is still paying for the education — this removes a major objection by entrenched education people and those who love anything statist. At the same time, it opens vast new opportunities for parents to send their children to schools that can teach the children how to think and not indoctrinate them.
Who will oppose this? The list is long but starts with the teachers unions, all government school administrators, politicians supported by teachers and other unions, and anyone else now feasting at the trough of incompetency through education.
http://www.heraldonline.com/latest-ne...
After watching this, and having seen Idiocracy in 2007, I'm certain we're doomed. I am also certain the creators of Idiocracy, when looked back on historically, will be seen as great prognosticators. Of course, that is only if someone from the present makes it to the future.
If you want to have some present day, real life fun on your own try this:
Ask a young adult, who is wearing an analog watch (usually something big, shiny with some designer's initials on it) for the time. Watch what happens (hint: you will soon know what brand cell phone they use.)
Now granted one can argue that analog timepieces are going the way of the sundial, but what about this next one:
Next time a cashier from a mall store rings you up for something like 30.17, hand the cashier two $20 bills and a quarter, sit back and enjoy. Make sure you're not in a hurry when you do this.
That was also back when most cashiers would count your change back for you. "You gave me 40.25, 0.17 and .08's a quarter and 10's $40. Thanks for shopping at Caldor." These days if you did that most of the customers would not even understand what you meant.
He almost called the cops but i walked out with my purchase anyway.
9 out of 10 high schoolers applying for jobs in my store failed the same test.
The child was probably traumatized. No wonder colleges have to be "safe places" now.
It is so sad that what we do automatically, in our heads, these kids can't even do given a pencil and paper.
At this point I was not even surprised when black Millennials did not who won the Civil War.
I almost posted this the other day. What do Bernie supporters know about sociasm~
http://patriotupdate.com/find-out-how...
Nothing surprising here. Just where the country is headed, hopefully, long after I'm gone. At 70+, who knows when that will be.
My kids are NOT among these. My daughter did a report of altruism and Ayn Rand and asked to watch Atlas Shrugged! Read it...maybe not. I'm hoping for Dragon riders of Pern first.