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Now I know why NOT to vote for Trump

Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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I was drawn to Trump for various reasons – his boldness, anti-political correctness, his recognition of real problems and not being afraid of talking about them in real terms. Much of what he said has been twisted by the media and made appear crude, insensitive, even illegal, but the media is very good at that… So, none of those issues bothered me at all, in fact, I was glad that he brought them up and I agree with many of them. But I also recognized that he is “loose cannon” and difficult to predict. He had the potential for much needed changes and for going off the constitutional path altogether. Yet, recognizing that essentially staying on the course of the past 30 or 40 years, were bound to fail, and fail big. However, the eye-opener was the debate in South Carolina, when the moderator pressed Trump to explain his often made claim that he plans to “make America great again” – as to, specifically, how? Trump answered that he would prevent US corporations from shipping jobs overseas by enacting (in proposed cooperation with Congress) a punitive tax (or tariff) on them of, say, extra 35%. So, instead of creating favorable conditions for the businesses (and individuals) by lowering taxes and eliminating frivolous regulations, Trumps proposed to be an American Hugo Chavez. One would think that he was reading Directive 10-289! And we all know how well this Directive has worked in Venezuela and how well it is working in Russia. So, this was my eye-opener. And a special thanks to Freedom for pointing at Gary Johnson – if Trump does indeed gets the nomination, I am definitely voting for Johnson.


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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What is an "advanced," or "watered down" socialism? There really are no differences, except for timing. Does the Party have full control, as in North Korea and Stalin's USSR, or is there a partial control as in most of Europe? That is the only criteria that determine the Party's actions against the citizen-slaves.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sanders is offering somewhat advanced socialism, with Hillary offering a watered down version. I just sense that the full blown version is going to win on the democratic side.

    Trump has been pretty quiet vs Sanders, but he will do the politically incorrect thing when the time comes and just blow sanders away by pointing out sanders' lack of a money tree.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
    Why voting for Johnson is not a toilet paper vote.

    In the first place you need all the charmin available for the stuff Hillary and Bernie are spewing

    In the second place it's a start point and a continuation of the effort to get political representation for the 46% or more by now who are disenfranchised by having only two socialists from which to choose. higher that number goes the more change is possible as the disgrunted masses look for local candidates.

    Sign up for the primary in which ever party you want and like me vote for the weakest candidate. And the local issues....

    Re register for the General Election. and leave the presidential box blank...

    Anything else is a winner take all using your vote...write in whatever.

    then you won't need toilet paper to look in the mirror
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Johnson cant possibly win, but it is your right to make your stand of course. If Nevada had a bunch of electoral college votes, AND I happened to cast the deciding vote for Trump, I might make a difference. Unlikely, tho. I will just have to hope that Trump gets elected AND he slows down the seemingly unstoppable march to socialism, at least a little.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now you're just looking at things logically. ;)

    I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Hillary, but we are talking about the Democratic Party here. There is a reason Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren stayed out of the race - no one wants to run against the Clintons.

    Rubio has shown much more traction than I care for, actually. He came in third in Iowa and fourth in New Hampshire. He polls well in the South and is the one taking votes from Bush. He's the #3 in almost all the polls, so despite his youth, I think he's a real danger still. The Republican Establishment is rooting for either him or Jeb Bush to get the nomination, but they're both from the same area so Rubio's support comes at the expense of Bush.

    I haven't seen too many polls with Sanders vs a Republican, but there have been plenty of Hillary ones. And most of those show that even if Hillary got indicted, she would still likely carry enough states to win. That's the sad reality of our electorate.

    Johnson is a conundrum. I agree that a vote for him is nothing more than a symbolic/protest vote, but I can't really fault those who vote for him.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mine won't matter much either, but it's going to Johnson. I guess that means we are both casting "toilet paper" votes.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My vote in a majority-rules democracy isnt going to mean much, but it bothers me to see so much negativity against Trump when he is the only real chance we have to slow down socialism in this election.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you trying to cause heart attacks i thought he was being investigated in Chicago? I know what's that got to do with anything...

    What do you get when you cross Dia Del Muertos with Halloween?

    A demoweenie?

    No

    A demonweinee?

    No

    Hillary in drag?

    No

    Night Of The Living Rahmen
    (just add Flint Water...)

    one noodle per packet no salt needed.

    Hi I'm Mr. Rahman and I approved this propaganda
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting analysis. I am thinking that Sanders will beat Hillary for the democratic nomination. Hillary is NOT liked, regardless of the amount of money she throws at the media to make it seem like everyone loves her. Obama came out of the woodwork when she ran against him- at the last minute and trounced her. Sanders is doing the same thing this time. Also, Hillary is just trying to out-Sanders Sanders when it comes to policy. She has no new ideas. Its Sanders who is running the democratic platform with his outlandish giveaways, and hillary is just trying to catch up. Also, Sanders whipped her ass already in early primaries.

    Rubio isnt going to go anywhere. He is young and energetic, but doest get much traction. Cruz is the opponent to Trump, but I think he would lose to the democratic candidate in a general election.

    I think head to head, Trump would win against Sanders or Hillary, but he is the only one who would score that victory.

    I voted for Perot also, and you can see where that went....

    Johnson wouldnt even get 1% in a general election, so a vote for him is the same as not voting.

    This is why I think its either Trump or Sanders in November.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Another thing to add is that, IMHO, it is not the taxes that hurt the economy the most, but regulations, which not only take the profit out of running a business, but create a burden, often insurmountable, while the business is running and act as a barrier for competitors to enter the industry. Yet, I haven't heard Trump say anything about the regulations and he is pro-union, which is a form of regulation.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
    yes. . my specific concern is beating the Ds and their
    continuation of BHO's regime. . when the time comes
    for me to vote in the primary, that will be my point-
    of-view. . we absolutely Must Not Let Them appoint
    an Eric Holder or a Rahm Emanuel to the supreme court. -- j
    .
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
    I'm not even going to say it......but you know what I'm thinking...
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  • Posted by Danno 9 years, 2 months ago
    Before we all get worked let's realize there is no practical way to fix the fiscal problems the USA faces now. The cuts would be too extreme therefore politicians would NEVER take those steps. We should expect massive inflation and world war as that is the common tactics based on history.
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  • Posted by Danno 9 years, 2 months ago
    Trading with China and NAFTA are hardly free trade. Given the situation, measures need to be put in place to offset China/USA vendor finance.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump didn't have any philosophy! I think that we were treated to a few months of National Socialism campaigning. Let's hope it doesn't turn into Chancellorship.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Given our history of the past 30 years, I would second your motion, and include the congress in the package.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For the next Constitution, I would highly recommend having some verifiable education requirements. Although they must not be from any of the "schools" run by the government. Not passing any blame, but the Framers of the last Constitution never imagined that people, let alone those trying to be elected President, could be so uneducated.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That would be interesting ;)

    As to being qualified, there is a difference between that and being someone who will bring back Constitutional values, which is what this nation needs.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You make several assumptions here which are unfounded. First, is that Sanders would win the election. He hasn't even secured his party's nomination and with Hillary already being practically guaranteed the super-delegates of the Democratic Party, Bernie's prospects are anything but secure in that regard.

    Second, you assume that Trump will secure the nomination on the Republican side. The way things look right now, we are headed to a brokered convention, which favors the Republican establishment candidates like Rubio and Bush. Neither Trump nor Cruz want a brokered convention. So even Trump's nomination is anything but secure.

    Third, you assume that head-to-head with Trump, Sanders would win. I haven't seen any poll data, but would be interested to see some.

    Is a vote for anyone but the two main contenders a vote to install a Democrat? Potentially. But I ask this: should I not vote my conscience and see where the chips fall? I voted for Perot because I truly believed he was a better candidate than either Bush I or Clinton. I voted for a third party in my state's most recent Governor's race because the incumbent is a candidate I've never liked and his competitor even worse.

    And I would further point out that socialism is being forced down our throat regardless of the President because of the spinelessness of the Republicans in Congress. Obama wouldn't be able to do a thing if they would simply exercise a little conviction.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 2 months ago
    I agree. He lost me when asked the question: "Are you ever wrong?" His response was that his wife tells him this all the time - yuck, yuck, But then he said he surrounds himself with experts who "sometimes are wrong." Meaning, of course, that he is never wrong. That, plus his very pro union stance on manufacturing, subsides for ethanol, universal health insurance, and lack of class are the basis for me looking elsewhere.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The important thing is not how many percent he will increase the tariff; it may be 15, maybe 25% - the important thing is that his approach will not grow the economy, will not help businesses grow and compete and is anti free market. Added to his repeated proclamations that he is not planning on cutting welfare nor eliminating regulations, there is nothing in his economic proposals, except for hot air. I happen to agree with him on many issues, such as immigration and Muslim infiltration and waste and abuse, but all those issues will be irrelevant in the Third World Amerika.
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