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Now I know why NOT to vote for Trump

Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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I was drawn to Trump for various reasons – his boldness, anti-political correctness, his recognition of real problems and not being afraid of talking about them in real terms. Much of what he said has been twisted by the media and made appear crude, insensitive, even illegal, but the media is very good at that… So, none of those issues bothered me at all, in fact, I was glad that he brought them up and I agree with many of them. But I also recognized that he is “loose cannon” and difficult to predict. He had the potential for much needed changes and for going off the constitutional path altogether. Yet, recognizing that essentially staying on the course of the past 30 or 40 years, were bound to fail, and fail big. However, the eye-opener was the debate in South Carolina, when the moderator pressed Trump to explain his often made claim that he plans to “make America great again” – as to, specifically, how? Trump answered that he would prevent US corporations from shipping jobs overseas by enacting (in proposed cooperation with Congress) a punitive tax (or tariff) on them of, say, extra 35%. So, instead of creating favorable conditions for the businesses (and individuals) by lowering taxes and eliminating frivolous regulations, Trumps proposed to be an American Hugo Chavez. One would think that he was reading Directive 10-289! And we all know how well this Directive has worked in Venezuela and how well it is working in Russia. So, this was my eye-opener. And a special thanks to Freedom for pointing at Gary Johnson – if Trump does indeed gets the nomination, I am definitely voting for Johnson.


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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a difference between hope and reality. I do believe that Trump can stop the influx of illegals and he can put a check on bringing here Moslem "refugees," but his approach to "keeping jobs here" will cause a complete crash of the economy. Just look at Venezuela. Atlas Shrugged should tell you that the government cannot make people productive (Hitler and Stalin can be viewed as exceptions, if one is willing to bring back their methods). Penalizing companies for going overseas will simply make them close shop. The American worker does not want to work and the American regulatory system does not support businesses. It is only due to the better quality labor and less regulations that America is able to import much of what it consumes and keep the standard of living relatively high. If that lifeline will be shut off, you may or may not keep your job for a little while, but won't be able to afford much on the salary received.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    (I am against all forms of mysticism - even thought I am beginning to understand the bicameral message and it all relates quantumly)...But
    Given the choice of a man guided by the christian religion, and a man not guided by anything at all, diametrically opposed 180°...I'd choose a christian man any day of the week.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 9 years, 2 months ago
    Trump is resonating across all demographics.   He wants to reign in uncontrolled immigration and bring the jobs back to the US.  No other candidate advocates both.  I am currently employed in IT for a large Aerospace contractor.  80% of the employees are from India.  They are willing to come all this way at low wages because they can bring wives who can have a couple of babies while they are here.  Most of the supervision is people from India and I am afraid I will lose my job also.  Trump is giving hope to the unemployed and employed citizens alike.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jabuttrick: I do agree with you that Trump's web site is surprisingly insufficient.
    Yes, I have trepidations concerning Trump but nothing can compare to the horror story played out over the last 8 years. I am definitely not looking for another career politician (absent Rand Paul) so the choice is narrowed drastically. That might require a loud mouth, brash, impertinent and so called non presidential type that has the capacity to adjust and correct as they proceed. So unless he really f@#ks up... I'll take the chance.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Check out the Netflix series JERICHO. The premise is that the system is so corrupt with cronyism (which it is actually) that only a complete government meltdown is necessary to allow for rebuilding. Its a thought, although I am definitely living in the wrong place (Las Vegas) to withstand that sort of collapse
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am also assuming that their programs actually are passed by Congress, which isnt exactly going to be the case
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps the sooner we get to a civil war, the better. We're heading for a collapse anyway; at least with an earlier civil war, there's a chance of re-building. If it happens later, there won't be anyone alive of the generation that is capable of rebuilding.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You seem to be taking the advertised numbers and promises as gospel. They will take everything that they can, regardless of promises. Think of the government as ear mites in a dog. They will totally destroy an ear, to the bone, but are somehow smart enough to do it to only one ear, so the dog doesn't die and, thus, continues feeding the parasites. Don't worry, the government will leave you just enough to believe that things will get better...
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 2 months ago
    I see no sense in throwing away your vote. The
    important thing is to stop the Democrats. I intend
    to vote for Cruz. I just wish the others (Rubbio, Bush) would just get behind Cruz. He is not ideal,
    but he would likely bring in more freedom for free
    enterprise.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would hate to actually run in an election for president in this environment. If you dont imply at least you are going to increase giveaways, you wont get enough votes to win. If you actually promise you are going to increase giveaways, you will look bad unless you can somehow "show" how in 10 years it will pay for itself (never does). On the other hand, you have to offer cronyism to influential contributors so you can get contributions and get your message out. Its a very screwed up system.

    What we need is a "country manager" who is given a budget and the list of things that need to be done- and then manages the government to make it work. Like a city manager. The "country manager" would not set the goals, but just administer them.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So if you want for an objectivist to run and lose, you will get Sanders and the life you have now will not last very long and will go through a venezuela like death spiral that will last a long time.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    BUT, SAnders wants $15/hr minimum wage, Hillary $12, and the republicans much less. Sanders wants huge tax increases, Hillary wants moderate tax increases, republicans much less.

    $15 per hour means our company goes out of business the next day. $12 per hour means it would take about a year to go BK.

    The 12 week paid parental and illness leave means a lot to my business.

    Sanders' 64% capital gains taxation means 64% of the work I put into building up my small company is GONE- means my interest in growing it pretty much evaporates.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Term2: Agreed. He has yet to present a detailed strategy on this point. He will need to be forth coming soon on how he intends to solidify his random statements into a cohesive and functional concept.
    If he does not get this right, hard to believe since he has direct experience in this area, then he can kiss his chance good-bye.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that the ONLY way to undue the damage done by our current Dear Leader is a civil war. And then we would have to hope to win it.
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  • Posted by Stormi 9 years, 2 months ago
    The fact is, a vote for Johnson, is a vote for the Democrat. We have too many voters who don't even know what libertarian is. One thing we do not need is another Common Core loving Bush who will push one world government. I could vote for Trump, would like to vote for Rubio, would vote for Carson or Cruz if need be. The less DC establishment, the better. Even then, things will not be as rosey as they all promise. There is way to much to undo from our current dictator.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Everyone has a philosophy even if they do not hold it explicitly. In Trumps case he is a pragmatist - which means he flits from one thing to the next and is just blowing in the political winds.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But Trump is a socialist. He's a National Socialist, while Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. Slightly different flavor; both cause uncontrolled vomiting.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    His bankruptcies bother me in the way he's done them. He's openly laughed and called the investors who lost everything in those bankruptcies idiots. That kind of arrogance rankles me because it smacks of outright theft and looting via the courts. None of those bankruptcies affected Trump's personal wealth, yet thousands of investors lost everything.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not a matter of comfortable with Sanders. We're saying, they're all the same.
    What's the difference between a Progressive and Socialist? The Socialist admits it.
    What the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? The Republican feels guilty afterwards.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think it goes back to the question asked of Hillary Clinton: "What's the difference between socialism and progressivism?" Neither she nor Debbie Wasserman-Shultz nor any other Democrat has an answer because there is no difference but the name.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    His bankruptcies don't bother me. He's had more successes than failures. And the bankruptcy laws are laws, he's just using what's there. Can't fault him for that.
    I can fault him for everything else you said.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 2 months ago
    Regardless of who gets the nomination, we should probably still vote our convictions.
    If we say, our vote doesn't matter, then voting for Johnson will have no effect on the outcome. However, it could send a powerful message if he can rack up votes.
    I know it's hard not to vote for the lesser of two evils that can win. I struggle with that myself. But, I am going to try to vote my convictions this November.
    Until then, and since Rand is out, I see no reason to support any standing GOP candidate, it will either be Trump, or Cruz at this point, so me not adding my voice there won't change a thing.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree its a matter of timing. Sanders wants complete control over medical services and public colleges and immigration. Hillary wants to keep Obamacare, the same on public colleges, and I dont really know what she wants on immigration. At the end of a Sanders presidency, socialism would have advanced much further than under a Hillary presidency
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