If you believe in that which for the most part was written 50 to a 100 years later. All fine and well if you take that and the distortions of the centuries 20 of them as 'proof' so i shall give you my version.

Bass boat:Since when does time altar the truth? This and others were observable events that have not been disputed. Remember Moses and the parting of the Red Sea? I guess you explain that away by time too.

Quote from a Sunday school class for adults. Jesus died on the cross and was buried in a tomb the entrance covered by a huge rock that could not be moved. His dressings or wrappings were changed daily by the women of the church... and on the third day they saw his body was not in the tomb but had risen...
Bassboat: You omit the part about the guards that were guarding the tomb by the penalty of death should someone mess with the tomb. And it wasn't 1 guard either.

Were the women then buried with him and the rock somehow moved....etc etc etc.
Bassboat: "somehow moved"? 3 women moving a huge boulder? Unlikely and then throw in the guards......

Not at all the passage being taught.

the point is the class left believing the women had been buried with him for the three days.

It's that easy to make a significant change. It's done constantly by advertising and political media ...so you have presented no objective proof but i have seen and heard multitudes of subject stories.
Bassboat: Objective proof? How about Jesus returning and being witnessed by over 500 people at one event.

Never mind the different versions in the multitude of different christian sects, divisions, churches etc.

So which should we believe?
Bassboat: You should understand that no one comes to the Father except through Jesus. He alone atoned for your sins and mine. To believe in Him and confess our sins we will be saved for all eternity. It might be fun to be a pseudo intellectual that demands Jesus to appear like a Genie and do a miracles but that has already been accomplished.

Yours?

Why?

What makes you so special. I am not special in anyone's eyes except God's eyes.

Of the twelve disciples was not one the one that betrayed Him? How then did Judas deserve a martyrs death? there are countless logical reasons why people have their beliefs multiplied by the nine monotheistic religions soon to be ten. According to each of them except one all the rest are foolish.
Bassboat: Judas did not have a martyr's death, He hung himself in disgrace. The difference in the religions of the world is that Christianity serves a Living God, the rest do not so how could they be God? They are philosophies.

And you as a believer did not see the inconsistencies and search out a valid version.
Bassboat:
I feel as though you have never read the Bible. Get a modern day translation and read it slowly and allow the Lord to speak to you. Don't be afraid of what you don't know.

I received the above with a more believable answer from my Uncle 40 years a missionary in the Central African Republic. he was the first to admit that the only way to accept the stores was on 'faith' and faith needs no proof objective or otherwise..
Bass boat: The Lord said that blessed are those who have not seen but believe. This was when Thomas of Doubting Thomas fame insisted on seeing Jesus in person before he would believe. when he met up with Jesus he immediately fell to his knees and worshiped Him.

personally I like the Don Imus version which used two cans of imported sardines and one loaf of Roman Meal bread. imust had a wayh of making the foolish wise.
Bassboat, You have it wrong, the Bible clearly says that the Bible will make the foolish wise. Read it and you will find answer to your deepest problems.

The answer is there is no need for proof if you accept something on faith and faith alone. Now I will give you two modern examples.

Benito Mussolini as head of the Italian Socialist party and before their conversion to National Socialism from International socialism (along with secular progressives three of the great nonotheistic belief systems) asked Lenin how to explain or teach Marxist Economics. Lenin answered one does not teach it one preaches it; Until it is accepted and taken on faith and faith alone without reservation or explanation. But for those who demand proof say unto them. Not all are blessed with the wisdom to understand but the Party has those who are busy doing nothing else and they will guide you and in time.....(the Plato answer).
Bassboat: Once again this is not a religion but propaganda repeated over and over, it is a philosophy, not a religion.
The last version example?

Balanced Budget with a surplus.

In days with few literate people faith was necessary. In these modern days nothing has changed.
Bassboat: Literate people are the reason for the advancement the Faith.

The reason for that is still a need to be unafraid of the dark when there is no ability to turn on a switch and shine the light. But the education switch is 'off.'
Bassboat: Christians don't have to worry about the dark, it is the unsaved ones.

What is my religion? Read the First Amendment and be ashamed you asked?

I wish we were able to exchange views over a cup of coffee. I will pray for you.

That is a good idea.

Not everyone that comes here knows everything there is to know about Rand. If they did there would be no reason to participate in this site. Having the discussion allows people to present the case.

Objective proof? There is plenty. Let's take just 1 piece of evidence, Jesus feeding the multitude from a few baskets of fish and bread. He fed over 5000 men plus women and children. No one who was there has come forward to refute this miracle. Just imagine if you or I tried that with 10,000 we bought off as witnesses one of them would have spilled the beans. I consider that objective thinking. You can ditto that with the 12 disciples ,11 of the 12 died a martyr's death rather than refute the deity of Jesus, the 12th being John died on an island in exile. There countless logical reasons why people have their beliefs in God. Try reading the Bible slowly and listen to it. It makes the foolish wise.

Who gives a damn about your opinion? She stated clearly what she did and did not think and belief. She most certainly did not believe in God or other irrational claptrap. The standard meaning of the word is #1.

That dictionaries are corrupt enough to list every way anyone uses a word, no matter how questionable, is a different problem.

Posting something like this here in a group full of people well versed in what Ayn Rand taught is nothing more than baiting. If this group was a bit more decently moderate it would not be allowed imho.

We are not here to tolerate idiots especially ones that claim things about Ayn Rand that are known to be completely false. Perhaps you need a "safe" group that tolerates random nonsense.

Ayn Rand was an amazing philosopher and presented the case for capitalism that has been irrefutable. Ayn Rand was not perfect nor did she always live up to her own ideals.

Whether one believes in a higher power or not should not affect one's ability to live a more productive and ethical life through her writings.

I find that this argument is only tenable if you re-define 'god' as 'whatever Ayn Rand believed in'. All three of the above definitions of god include the assumption of an irrational attachment to a power, symbol, or actual thing.

If you remove that assumption of irrationality, then 'god' becomes merely a word, such as when an atheist says, "God bless you!" when a friend sneezes.

Jan

I would certainly agree.

That she did, deny God. She had to do that to be in step with her misguided belief in there not being a Creator. It was an error in her judgement and was her fatal flaw.

I am not. . I am trying to describe reality as it is, not
as someone else would like to see it. -- j
.

Evolving is not design. You have not observed "cosmological intelligence".

No, you should stop appealing to the supernatural "intelligent design".

right -- it's the entropy increase rule, but the accompanying
increase in order is the amazing thing! -- j
.

My apologies. My attempt at humor in the first three lines missed the mark; word games indeed don't cut it.

And you consume resources, which increases disorder.