i don't quibble they charge me a premium it's deducted from my pay therefore i have involuntarily purchased a form of insurance, Why would I not accept what has been paid for as if it were food stamps. In all the years of employment I used it once for six weeks in California and once for four weeks in Delaware.
they paid off...I lost money on the deal such are the ways of insurance. Actuary tables are nothing more than the insurance version of book making.
Michael: Ummmm Unemployement Insurance is NOT paid for by the person who gets the paid benefit. The premiums are forcibly confiscated from employers by the gov't and it is a totally self-contained court system feeding off of itself. It is handled outside of the normal judicial system. The ones paying the premium derive no benefit. But I agree with Ineil that the money is better used buying goods and services. I just wanted to clarify that it certainly is not the same as the other insurances you listed.
Unemployment is a system of compulsory state funded insurance. If you paid into it, either by force or freely you are entitled to its benefits. Think of it as a form of malicious compliance.
It is not the proper role of Govt. to provide unemployment benefits; and if one approves of that and other entitlements, he is not worthy of it. But those who agree with me and are forced to pay into the unemployment fund, then it is proper to collect it. Same for Social Security.
Ayn Rand answers this question in an article (it's been quoted below and can be found free on ARI Campus website). Her answer: yes, but with reservations. You have to vehemently oppose government scholarships and grants (and unemployment benefits) in order to deserve them. She says that government money in these forms is merely a reparation for unjust taxes and nonmaterial losses. So yes. Why add martyrdom to your troubles? The money is yours, at least partially. Take the unemployment, but stay true to your values and don't become indefinitely attached to it.
This is an excellent question, one which Rand herself answered in The Objectivist, Vol 5, # 6, June, 1966. From her article, "The Question of Scholarships: "Since there is no such thing as the right of some men to vote away the rights of others, and no such thing as the right of the government to seize the property of some men for the unearned benefit of others—the advocates and supporters of the welfare state are morally guilty of robbing their opponents, and the fact that the robbery is legalized makes it morally worse, not better. The victims do not have to add self-inflicted martyrdom to the injury done to them by others; they do not have to let the looters profit doubly, by letting them distribute the money exclusively to the parasites who clamored for it. Whenever the welfare-state laws offer them some small restitution, the victims should take it . . . .
The same moral principles and considerations apply to the issue of accepting social security, unemployment insurance or other payments of that kind. It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. Those who advocated such laws are morally guilty, since they assumed the “right” to force employers and unwilling co-workers. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration."
Do you really want to delete your comment on ... [Ask the Gulch] Is it right for me to collect unemployment, or is it giving in to statism??
Silly question. Do you have automobile insurance? Yes? If something goes wrong do you expect to collect on the that paid for by premiums contract? Yes?
So why would you not collect on the unemployment insurance you pay for?
it's not welfare......it's insurance....
not silly it's a shop worn question
Has nothing to do with statism and a lot to do with corporatism.
Do you have fire insurance Do you have earthquake insurance Do you have disability income insurance Do you have life insurance
Don't even go there it will sound even more (choose your own preference)
Do you have social security insurance. ha ha To ensure an old age income for the destitute was one one of the early lines in favor of starting the system... it's not insurance it's a ponzi scheme something more similar to a lottery or a wealth transfer scheme....but I wouldn't honor it with anything more meaningful.
Far from guaranteed or warranted it's routinely repudiated by deflation and destruction of buying power...
yet it is paid for just like insurance.
What you should be railing about is why that government caused drop in buying power was not included in the COLA and what is Net Domestic Product after debt service etc. instead of this love affair with Gross Domestic product.
The word was silly ...as in how silly of me to infer people can read
Now dumb ass was way over the line and an apology is due....but it's shop worn question that has long outlived it's usefulness. So apoligies tendered and i can change it after editing has expired.
Collecting your unemployment "insurance" can pay for the traveling expenses needed to find another job. It can help you find a job faster. Having any cash flow becomes all the more critical if you have kids to feed and care for.
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Ayn Rand agrees: "The same moral principles and considerations apply to the issue of accepting social security, unemployment insurance or other payments of that kind. It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. Those who advocated such laws are morally guilty, since they assumed the “right” to force employers and unwilling co-workers. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration." --Ayn Rand, The Question of Scholarships
Yes. Even though unemployment insurance is forced upon employers, this is paid for usually by lowering wages initially. Use the down time to start a business or build a skill set (like welding classes) or better computer skills, CAD classes, etc.
Michael why would you start your answer by telling someone they asked a stupid question? Yes use what the Gov gives, because, it is our money. Money is worthless without goods or service.
Yes, take the benefit. Seek work with all the effort you would if there was no benefit - no doubt this is what you are doing. In your mind, regard the benefit as a loan, when you are earning again your taxes will be paying it back, like it or not.
I'm with Mamaemma, as usual. Your unemployment insurance is part of the "salary package" she pays you, so I agree, you already got it, you just didn't get it yet. ok?
Rushfan, as an employer I can tell you that I pay for unemployment insurance on all my employees. It is required by law. I consider that to be part of the cost of having that employee, i.e., part of his salary. I think for you to draw unemployment is similar to Ms. Rand drawing social security payments. Good luck finding a good job. You sound to me like someone who wants to earn his way.
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they paid off...I lost money on the deal such are the ways of insurance. Actuary tables are nothing more than the insurance version of book making.
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--Michael
The same moral principles and considerations apply to the issue of accepting social security, unemployment insurance or other payments of that kind. It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. Those who advocated such laws are morally guilty, since they assumed the “right” to force employers and unwilling co-workers. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration."
Silly question. Do you have automobile insurance? Yes? If something goes wrong do you expect to collect on the that paid for by premiums contract? Yes?
So why would you not collect on the unemployment insurance you pay for?
it's not welfare......it's insurance....
not silly it's a shop worn question
Has nothing to do with statism and a lot to do with corporatism.
Do you have fire insurance
Do you have earthquake insurance
Do you have disability income insurance
Do you have life insurance
Don't even go there it will sound even more (choose your own preference)
Do you have social security insurance. ha ha To ensure an old age income for the destitute was one one of the early lines in favor of starting the system... it's not insurance it's a ponzi scheme something more similar to a lottery
or a wealth transfer scheme....but I wouldn't honor it with anything more meaningful.
Far from guaranteed or warranted it's routinely repudiated by deflation and destruction of buying power...
yet it is paid for just like insurance.
What you should be railing about is why that government caused drop in buying power was not included in the COLA and what is Net Domestic Product after debt service etc. instead of this love affair with Gross Domestic product.
Now dumb ass was way over the line and an apology is due....but it's shop worn question that has long outlived it's usefulness. So apoligies tendered and i can change it after editing has expired.
Watch this....
Having any cash flow becomes all the more critical if you have kids to feed and care for.
"The same moral principles and considerations apply to the issue of accepting social security, unemployment insurance or other payments of that kind. It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. Those who advocated such laws are morally guilty, since they assumed the “right” to force employers and unwilling co-workers. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration."
--Ayn Rand, The Question of Scholarships
Even though unemployment insurance is forced upon employers, this is paid for usually by lowering wages initially.
Use the down time to start a business or build a skill set (like welding classes) or better computer skills, CAD classes, etc.
Seek work with all the effort you would if there was no benefit - no doubt this is what you are doing.
In your mind, regard the benefit as a loan, when you are earning again your taxes will be paying it back, like it or not.
Good luck finding a good job. You sound to me like someone who wants to earn his way.
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