Goodbye, Copyright. Farewell, Tenured Guilds.

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 2 months ago to Technology
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It began with a quote from Thomas Jefferson:

"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property."


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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Heisenberg?
    There's more to you John, than just a pretty face.
    Ideas by their very nature are free. The proof - another matter. In have an idea relating to Dark Energy, but not the smarts to do the math. Someone will do it and I'll be able to say I was right -- or wrong.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Me neither (in the past).
    If an artist brought his work for us to publish he received the profits and we charged a fee. If we hired him to do a job for us, we retained all the profits, if any. and he was paid a fee. An artist tried to sue us after we hired them to illustrate a book. It was thrown out.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Go for it John, my last invention took 5 years to get a utility patient.

    If your in control of the product, patient pending is enough protection...don't be surprised if everyone wants it for free.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have an invention in the world of music which has
    been perking in the back of my mind for decades.
    it really is hustle time!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The whole predisposition colleges have with publishing and research drives me crazy. Where is the interest in undergraduate education that people pay for?!?

    Another interesting IP thing for DB is the typical agreement for IP universities have. Even when you pay them for work, they retain the IP rights. I sure can't do that with my customers.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yea that is an ouch............

    I'm working on one of my own...but somehow I think it won't be of immediate interest to these groups.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
    ouch, Carl.

    as a person who collects The Original version of songs,
    like the Supremes' "ain't no mountain high enough,"
    I naturally cling to the original thinkers whose ideas
    have impressed me in the past. . Galileo, Newton,
    Heisenberg, Kirchhoff, Heinlein, Rand -- but their ideas
    are, alas, free. . I have always wanted to have my
    name among theirs, but have worked for others to put
    bread on the table. . now, retired, I need to hustle
    since time is short!!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, db. One of the paleogenticists I follow has had a major - even leading - role in endorsing the online publication of new findings. This eliminates the prior-to-publication peer review and cuts the lag time down from years to days. It does not, however, remove peer review since other authorities may post their opinions of the article after it is published (and generally a number of them have had the article sent to them in advance to give the author a chance fix weak spots). You are right about the incidence of bogus peer-review in recent major journals!

    The pre-Clovis archaeologists of the New World had been pretty much shut down for more than a century by a peer-group gatekeeping mechanism. Now, a few good finds and the inability to prevent publication has opened the sluice gates and many pre-Clovis finds are reported.

    It is more than just articles: scans of actual fossils (of immense importance) are being disseminated online by their discoverers. Finds that formerly would have been sequestered for generations are now being 3D printed and passed around in undergraduate classrooms.

    We are in a new era, and I like it. A scientists reputation is ultimately made by his reputation and a well done experiment with valid methodology that is published online and which receives positive comments from other authorities meets all the criteria for establishing that reputation.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That seems to be the inevitable results to all this envious progressiveism. No progress.

    They seem not aware of the fact that they will starve if we don't create or produce.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
    Having been a publisher and a writer, I know something about copyrights. Without them, there is no point in writing or publishing for long term remuneration. A very large portion of income for writers and others is the residual benefit which allows for an income after the fact. Without this, only the initial income is viable. A potential writer might think twice about relying on writing as a major source of income. In that case, the potential loss of good work may, in many cases be lost, never having been created in the first place. Or worse still, the writer may turn out many works of lower artistic quality in order to create an ongoing income.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 2 months ago
    It would be nice if scientific articles were scientific and not redundant. I can't believe what people will write and duplicate just to get another paper out there.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What do you think of the practical considerations of enforcing your copyright that the article mentions. If your Hank Ranger novels appeared on a 'sharing' site based in Russia linked with a domain name out of some freebooks.io you would have a legal right to your copyright, but could you practically enforce it?

    And certainly the resources available to you are significantly greater than the average writer!
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "What is called peer-review is really crony mutual back-scratching"

    It really shouldn't be surprising. Peer publishing is the scientific world's version of occupational licensing. Occupational licensing leads to keeping upstarts out. Peer review keeps the upstarts of new ideas and counter thoughts out.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
    But turn the idea into a usable object such as a script for a stage play or a completely new way of injecting fuel into an engine.....is that then the property of the globe? Then it is back to the old Russian saying. They pretend to pay we pretend to think, to invent, to create and that includes create jobs. You think different? Guy name Kerry has a job tree back in the east coast. He can give you the location.

    Another one name Gore has a money tree you pin money on it and watch him spend it.

    The guy who finally figures out the cheapest safest way to transport fuel is in the form of electricity....will stand behind Edison and his light bulb

    All of the component parts were laying around but it took Edison too make light switches worth flipping.

    ....
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree about the corruption in "peer review" however...in the context of these rouge severs and the fact they are not accountable for collecting and disseminating unpaid for copy righted material for free.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The IP side of the article is nonsense.

    The real driver is technological - there is no reason for peer reviewed journals today.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 2 months ago
    This article is nonsense. Copyrights are not dead or dying except to the extent that anti-property rights judges and legislatures destroy it.

    In the case of scientific papers the business model is changing because of technological and social changes. On the technological side publishing scientific papers has gotten very cheap. The scientist wants the information spread as widely as possible, it is only the publisher that wants exclusive rights. The scientist does not make any money off of people buying the journal, so the market is evolving to eliminate a middle man made obsolete by technology. This is not really a copyright issue at all

    Another change is that so called "peer reviewed" journals have been shown to be corrupt and no more accurate than non-peer reviewed publications. Thus destroying the only other reason for these publications
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, One world governance is something that should be avoided...
    We need to devise a system where ethical moral behavior and value creation is rewarded and the opposite is not...no harm, just no gain. Right now the system rewards those that cheat, steal, usurp all by creatures that cannot create value and the value creator must be on the defensive all the time.
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 2 months ago
    This is an important topic especially for this forum being concerned with intellectual property.

    As the writer says- there are changes in technology that threaten existing rules by eating away the power of governments to enforce what has previously been seen as (property) rights. To me, there is both good and bad in this. In this case there is/was the monopoly, more correctly cartel, of publishers who have been able to enforce exorbitant charges. The scientists got some benefit but there are other ways to date-stamp a published work.
    The writer says- the peer review process is going to collapse, - well so it should, widespread misuse close to fraud has been uncovered. What is called peer-review is really crony mutual back-scratching.
    But, this trend may not last, there are changes towards erosion of the nation state towards international governance. Whatever the downside of numerous virtual nations, concentrated world government is far worse.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like that idea...

    Yes we need to get paid; even in a world that allows us to create what ever we need ourselves. There will always be the issue of resources for those things one creates...everything cannot be free, still need some free market mechanism for resource allocation.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your Welcome.
    I am glad his observation left book authors in the clear for a while....that's how I intend to fund my retirement from working for others.
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