Wesley Mouch was a destroyer from Ayn Rand's
Fountainhead.

Even though I am not a mystic cause it's quantum physic...evil/satanic is quite appropriate.

I'll check out that name...not in the memory banks, glad that Strong is gone though.

Those shadows amount to about 4000 in our country alone although I posit that there is only 20-30K globally all toll...not including muslim intrusions.

Never underestimate the central bankers fingers is all this middle east stuff...many of those countries were not part of the system...that's why Qaddafi was the first to go because he started his own for Africa.

Incidentally...these creatures were the one's that turned old man Rockefeller evil...just think of how cheap kerosene got back then.

I feel it is evidence of the evil even satanic shadow govt that really pulls the strings. I think he is Wesley Mouch.

Absolutely...as for the success of mao? ask the millions who suffered and died...perhaps, that's the success the trilateral commission was talking about.

As one badass to another.
Tell them:
Get away from my kid, my grandkid, my great grandkid, stay out of my phone, my house, my pocket. I'll let you know if I need you.

The founder of the trilateral commission and the honorary Chairman of the council on foreign relations said this about Mao "The social expiriment in China under Chairman Mao's
Leadership is one of the most important and successful in history."
Do you think those groups exercise any influence on our political leaderships?

Wrath of Herb...as per another posted story...you have now become an authoritarian.

Right behind ya buddy.

This is how Stalin, Hitler and Mou got over on their populations.

Progressivism: thinking they know better than you and insuring that you become so dumb that they will seem as gods...

This mindless set has pervaded civilizations since the fall of Babylon.

Same creatures...same plan.

With friends, I have tracked this Mao type control of children since our now age 31 daughter was in 3rd grade, and Outcome Based Education was being denounced by Britain as a "brain drain". However, the Clinton's embraced it both in Ark. and federally. Hillary began harping for the "village" to raise the child. An that is when parent's were shoved out, children given ideas of no right and wrong and no self-responsibility. Academics grew less and less part of the school day. Columbine was an early district to embrace it all, yet to this day, the role of the school brainwashing is never visited. Then, in came Bush and Obama, and Common Core, train those little one world socialist, forget they are dreadfully at the bottom academically. Suddenly, with schools under scrutiny over test results, the parents were urged to take more of a role, but only with that, don't try to impart their values. I have black friends complaining about the effect the schools have had on their kids' reasoning. I talked with an Hispanic I met at a restaurant this week. He said he would never vote for Hillary, he said he has to sit his kids down and ask where their disrespectful attitude is coming from, and then set them back on path of respect for parents and grandparents. Even a close freind of Clinton, back in his Ark. days, initially thrilled her son was taken in to the Governor's School, later wrote how dangerous it was when the kids were alienated from parents, and her own son committed suicide. The government wants little sheep, not too smart, and definitely not loyal to family. They do not want them able to reason, just learn enough to keep the levies passing.

Most parents do not have the means to pay for education twice, especially with the bloated, union controlled 'public' school bureaucracy, nor should they have to put up with it no matter what they can afford at the expense of some other sacrifice. Liberal "victim" rhetoric doesn't justify it.

"They are being forced to pay for the government schools and have nothing left over"
You're saying they don't have means to educated their kids, but if the gov't refunded the portion of their taxes that go to education they would be able to provide for themselves? I actually suspect most parents either a) have the means to provide for their own kids, even after the high taxes we pay, or b) would not be on top of it even if the gov't refunded every cent they pay that goes to education-related programs.

I get your point about the gov't taking people's money and then giving it back to them in the form of spending it as the gov't thinks it should be spent. I'm just saying most people who say they are victims backed into a corner by a coercive public education system would be victims of something else if the education system were abolished.

This is typical of the collectivist "stakeholder" mentality in which every political "interest" is deemed a "partner" making decisions intruding in your life. This mentality is all over government and politics now, from controlling what you can do with your own private property (and demanding that you don't) to demanding that "corporations" be "accountable" to whatever some political pressure group demands. It is intended to destroy individualism, including private property rights and raising your own children.

Most parents cannot "just take their kids out of school*. They are being forced to pay for the government schools and have nothing left over to pay for school choice. Even if they have the personal time and resources for home schooling many states make that a bureaucratic nightmare. The government controlled, tax subsidized school monopoly is corrupt to its core. It is intended for coercive control.

right;;; genuine, valuable help would not likely cause
a false accusation of inappropriate incursion. -- j
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You are required to stop reading in the Gulch after you read the following~
You little next to nothings do not have a right to question the intelligence or the authority of our more than equal elite governing betters.
It's all constitutional because we who are your betters say it is.
Say, is that your family? Nice family.
Would you like to keep it?
We are from the government and we are here to help you.
We the people. You ain't.

I'll have to see how I feel when I get to that point, especially about my daughter, but I wouldn't want to keep my adolescents at that point. I'd encourage them to find their own way. If it turns out my way was actually better, I would be happy if they came back. If they find their own way, I'm equally happy.

Actually, we are talking about 15 and 16 year olds who are getting poor grades in school and cannot support themselves. They demanded no parental oversight for their school work, no curfew, free cellphones, free computers (with unlimited access), and free car. All of these were to be paid for by their parents, of course.

Their threat was to 'go to CPS' and tell them that 'their parents abused them' if they did not get these things. CPS would have then taken the kids away from the parents and put them in foster homes. So the parents, who wanted to keep their (worthless) kids, bargained for their taking a bunch of CPS approved courses on parenting so that they could keep their children.

I have no children; do not like or want children. Even I can see that this is wrong.

I describe this in detail so that you do not under-evaluate the extent of the demands or the power of CPS.

Jan

The goal of an authoritarian state is an obedient population of subjects, and the best way to insure that is to control the social and moral training as early in life as possible. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and what we're witnessing is the result of social engineering aimed at eliminating want and travail for all.

Societal conflict has a variety of trigger elements: ethnic, religious, class, political. By focusing on "the unfortunate," well meaning social engineers instill a sense of victimhood in segments of society, resulting in anger and feelings of entitlement. By placing itself in the position of equality with parents, and with obviously the power to do things for the "victim" that the parents can't do, the government destroys parental authority. The end result is a subject populace, obedient to the state.

My knowledge of children stops at age 7.5, the age of my oldest. My theory on teenagers, though, is it's an age where they biologically want to break away and start their own life. That's hard to do in our society, but I would encourage them to do try it to the extent possible. If they're like me and my parents, they'll think I'm wrong about everything, and I'll turn out to be right about 99% of the things we disagree on. That 1% that the kids are right about moves society forward. So they can call whomever they like. I dream of a world where robots give us everything we want, and our challenge is to find higher purpose and avoid decadence. We're not there yet. I would be abusing them to give them everything they want, leaving them unable to face reality when my wife and are gone. CPS can't make us give them stuff. My wife probably went to law school with their lawyers at UW-Madison, but I don't think we'd have to rely on her network. I don't think the problem of gov't telling non-abusive parents what to do is real. At least I hope it isn't.

Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, Indeed!
Anyone claiming to partner with me in the raising of my children that I didn't invite doing so, will feel the full wrath of Herb -- such as it is. John, you really hit a nerve with this one. It makes me so angry that I had to get up, go to the bedroom and punch the hell out of a foam pillow. (Foam pillows don't tend to lose their shape unless set on fire).

I'm sure we all realize that this is just one aspect of the government's desire to control every part of our lives.

I thought you were going to say, "Bless their Heart".

Jan

CPS is a horrible burden on parents. I know of two instances where loving and supportive families were attempted to be blackmailed by their teenage children who said, "Give me everything I want or I will call CPS on you."

Jan

I am certain some cases of are false accusations and some are cases of bona fide child abuse. What I don't see is that gov't providing care for kids whose parents don't have their act together as a cause of false accusations.

I think the sarcasm I was trying to express got lost in my posting.

there are many cases in progress. . examples:::

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/state-keep...
http://www.christianpost.com/news/7-c...
http://www.christianpost.com/news/hom...
http://www.offthegridnews.com/current...

it goes on and on and on....... -- j
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