Am I noticing something? The cops I interface with don't seem like the cops of when I was a kid. A lot of these guys today seem pretty stupid, really damaged. An hour and a half before they figured out this granny and mom were felons? Really? Reminds me of the video of the cops gunning down that guy in New Mexico recently. Didn't one of them yell out a "buyahh!" afterward? LOL

Is there some Ohio law the makes it illegal to look at cars and license plates? And this nonsense about "casing cars?" A grandmother, her daughter-in-law and grandchildren treated like jihadi terrorists? There is more going on with those cops than is being reported. Listen to what the victims are telling us
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You are right! This is right out of Idiocracy!!!

"Sir! Are you the unfit mother!?" "What?" (tazer)

"Ok sir. You are a certain individual..."

America is f'n finished. It's over....

I seriously doubt that they ran the plates and it came back as stolen!!! I think that was their excuse to cover their butts.

Then my daughter and I have it coming.
We play the license plate game (we have four left to find, and have already found Hawaii and Alaska).

We'll report if/when it happens.

Hearsay report - is it enough to arrest someone? Is looking at cars a crime now? Interesting how that line is getting blurry.

I may be getting old and cynical but BO said in '08 that he wanted a civilian police force as powerful as our military for the same reasons. This is one more incident of the new Gestapo flaunting its authority and is meant to cower the populace.

Sure, but they should have a clue what you're talking about. Whoever made the report built it into a false narrative that made it sound like granny and the 8yo boy were terrorists who were about to bomb the place. Then the cops overact, and add that to a decision was made someplace up the chain of command to train the MPs that they must be suspect of every little box, bag, car or person, anticipating that they are probably bombs, or car bombs, terrorists plotting the overthrow of US gov, etc. if they are doing something that caused them to be called out. Treating these people like they did was all according to their training doctrine. The fact that there were not terrorists didn't matter.

Now, apply that to some other situation, lets say a drug interdiction raid. Again the people there might not pose any problem or threat - because the "informant" lied. It's just a home with a normal family inside. Dad, Mom and a couple teens. Dad hears a crash downstairs and a bunch of yelling, he grabs his pistol and tells his wife to get the kids to their closet, where he keeps a shotgun. He heads down the stairs and just as he comes into view the hipped up cops see a gun with a gun pointing in their direction and shoot 45 rounds into him. he's dead before his body reaches the bottom of the stairs. As the officers reach the master bedroom, they open the closet door and seeing Mom with the shotgun pointed at them, they shoot her 12 times, and the two teens are also seriously wounded by bullets that passed through their mother.

In a few more minutes, it's announced that any threat has been eliminated and they begin to search the home for the "crack lab" the informant told them was there.

Of course no lab is found. The officers who shot the family are comforted by their buddies that they "did what they had to do." They are placed on paid leave and visit the police shrink, who assures them that they did their duty as they had been trained and how sometimes in a war things happen that nobody is happy about, but the job must be done. In two weeks they are back on the job and the next week they are assisting in another raid.

This might sound like a TV drama, but I can assure you that this thing happens every night. These raids and shooting occur every night. The families make a local fuss and sue the dept. which may lose the case, but if there is anything improper in the home, then they get called "justified" and the suit is thrown out. All it takes is for the teenage son to have a little pot or dad to own a unregistered gun and that's it. Case dismissed.

I'm not a cop baser, quite the opposite. However, the way these cops are being trained is shoot first and ask questions afterwards.

Not to mention that the cops should have stopped this by asking whoever called in the tip "what are they doing?" Any fool could see a elderly lady and a small kid looking at license plates. This business of people who don't have a clue, or are just bored calling 911 to report suspicious activity just because somebody is out walking needs to stop. The 911 operators could end about 90% of this, but they are trained to roll the cops instead of asking if there is a reason.

Even MPs should be able to see a minivan with a 65yo woman, a 30 something woman and two kids in a museum parking lot. Also did they find out who made the report that these folks were casing the cars in the parking lot? Or were these guys just a bit bored and decided to spice up their day - while traumatizing a couple kids the mother and granny? This could have been cleared up by talking to the people before dragging them out of their van like criminals. But then again, the computer didn't tell them they could talk to them.......

I don't buy their excuse. What ever happened to cops talking to people? Today every contact starts with a computer report and no information from the people is listened to unless a computer clears them and even then, they are treated as if they are criminals who did something wrong - or they wouldn't have been called out in the first place.

What happened to being innocent until proved guilty? What if the driver had a concealed carry gun? Would she have been shot on the way out of the van?

We've got to put a end to police being trained to act like military.

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