Mexican Troops Invaded Border, Held U.S. Border Agents at Gunpoint

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years ago to News
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This isn't the first time, though it may be the first time you have heard of it. Private property violated. Americans threatened AGAIN.
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  • Posted by monalisaturberville1957 11 years ago
    This sort of thing has been going on since the sixties. The cartels pay the Mexican military very well to help them cross our border. Not only do they have the Mexican military in their pockets, they also have many of our own in their pockets. During the 80's it was so bad that daily murder's were withheld from us. The cartel's would hire our military officials to commit murder under the smoke screen of many reasons other than drugs. While I am against this administration, I do not have blinders on. Most people can be bought for the right price on both sides of the border. While these Mexican military men did cross our border and we are told it was due to them chasing drug runners, they more than likely were seen by someone who was not in their pocket. These things happen weekly, monthly, yearly. There was a time in this country when we did not live by commercialism. We lived by budgets, within our means and nothing was freely given by our government to anyone. Since welfare began in our country things have gone down hill. People no longer worry about working for what they have, teach their children that they too must work if they are going to eat, work or not have a place to live, work or not have utilities, work or have no clothing, work and respect yourself, work and present yourself as a person of worth, work and hold your head high, work two jobs if you need more than one income provides. Set positive goals other than if you cannot afford it, charge it, or spend all you want because your government will make those whom do work pay for you not to work.
    I realize that went away from the topic but honestly it didn't. Should people be taught the very things I listed they could not be bought easily. Instead we now live in a country that has become crippled by their government. It will take a very long time to undo the damage but it must start some where and soon. Should a single one of those involved in this incident had self respect, honor and courage, this would not have happened. All it takes is one person to stand up for what is right, live it, teach it and others will follow. What do our fellow countrymen believe? Live and let live? Are we not all responsible? Remember while we are not responsible for the actions of others we are all responsible.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 11 years ago
    I think it's time to give the TSA some real jobs on the border with Mexico. Get them out of all the airports and leave us alone to efficiently travel in our 'free' country. (Just don't allow anyone you care about in the area being patrolled by TSA.)
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  • Posted by hattrup 11 years ago
    Gotta Love what our, and the world's. ridiculous "War on Drugs" and other prohibitions result it.
    It completely corrupts what otherwise may be decent law enforcement personnel - from the bottom to the top.

    Footnote -
    The Nuremberg Trials established that . . .
    Legislation is not the same as law
    Legislation must be moral to be lawful
    “Government” actions that violate moral rules are criminal
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 11 years ago
      Let's look at the results in Colorado by abandoning laws against marijuana:
      - Price per ounce out of reach of most users,
      due to sales taxes, the cost of setting up sales office, and complying with state regulations
      - Black market sales growing, mainly due to the above
      - Tax revenue lower than expected, due to both of the above
      - Vehicle accidents on the increase from people driving stoned (or drunk AND stoned)
      - State and local law enforcement asking for more money to enforce prevention of illegal drug activity (and no one saw that coming?)

      Before you condemn trying to limit the impact of
      drugs on society, you need to consider the consequences.
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      • Posted by $ 11 years ago
        What's remarkable in the argument for medicinal marijuana is the lack of "medicinal argument" in most people who favor it. THC can all but be removed from the pot and it would lose none of its medicinal benefits to those suffering ailments. That is the proper compromise if the issue were really about relieving pain an suffering. But no, many just want to get high legally - and pay a hell of a lot more to do so without worry.
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      • Posted by hattrup 11 years ago
        You claims are all unsubstantiated - however I would expect any transition after decades of prohibition to involve some time and truthful education.
        This article refutes your claims:
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/is-m...

        Also your statement about:
        " due to sales taxes, the cost of setting up sales office, and complying with state regulations "
        is closely related to a prohibition, and shows more government failure in eliminating prohibition laws/regulations.

        It is also kinda funny that you mention that the State wants more funding for the War on Drugs, as an argument about the failure of the War on Drugs. Obviously the War on Drugs was not killed, and the many beneficiaries of the War are still fighting for a bigger place at the trough.
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        • Posted by DrZarkov99 11 years ago
          My source is the Colorado news media (both TV and papers). When you see a video of one of the stores with signs posting $80-$170 an ounce, I find a quote from the Huffington Post laughable. All of the points in my original statement came from CO state sources, including the law enforcement statements about the increase in drug-related vehicle deaths, and the lack of sufficient police resources to combat the cartel-backed black market.

          As for taxation, regulation, and defining certain transactions of a legal substance as "illegal", I agree that it's just a different form of prohibition. However, the sales pitch for legalizing marijuana was based on expected tax revenue and reduced law enforcement cost.

          I do think throwing people in prison for victimless crimes is counterproductive. Go after the black market by enacting heavy fines on unlicensed growers and sellers, and don't worry about where the users got their stash.

          The sales tax in CO was set too high (higher than the tax on alcohol), and the regulatory overhead cost was badly underestimated. The state should have aimed to target prices at a reasonable level, to discourage a black market.
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          • Posted by hattrup 11 years ago
            Actual Colorado news report (not that I would consider typical reporter or police a source of analyzed data):
            "We have not seen a huge onslaught of crime like you might have thought. And fortunately we have not seen violent crime, which is our biggest concern."

            This is from the police department in Denver, CO - I think one of the larger places in the state...

            http://www.wtae.com/news/local/allegheny...
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            • Posted by DrZarkov99 11 years ago
              Your source is second-hand, from Pittsburgh, with no numbers. What did the Denver police expect, in non-violent crimes and violent crimes (though I don't usually picture stoners as violent)? Violent deaths are often ambiguous as to motivation, so the jury is still out on how many homicides are related to a marijuana black market.

              The Colorado highway patrol has listed a 3% increase in what they call marijuana-related traffic deaths. The admitted problem with that number is that THC remains in the blood for weeks after its reaction delay effects are gone. Is the increased number due to an increased focus on drug impaired driving, or is it an expected effect of increased consumption?
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        • Posted by $ 11 years ago
          While your position could have some validity, I doubt highly you can validate it to anyone using "huff" post reporting. Do you have another source?
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          • Posted by hattrup 11 years ago
            I could have just made claims as facts with no support at all - I am sure there are many other sources - and huff was just a channel, not a source -
            The source is:
            John Hudak, Author of Presidential Pork, Fellow @ Brookings, Managing Editor of the FixGov Blog. UConn Alum (B.A., 2005); Vanderbilt Alum (Ph.D., 2012)
            as clearly stated in the reference.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years ago
    No one in authority is taking the border seriously on either side. One day this kind of incident is going to escalate beyond ability to contain... Why aren't we training our military along the borders and on our coastlines instead of stationing many of them in foreign lands like Germany and Japan?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years ago
    As a person born and bred in Texas, but living in Florida now, it is time for another Battle of San Jacinto.
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    • Posted by Notperfect 11 years ago
      To arms my friend. It has been quoted many times Mexico really thinks they still own Texas, N.M., AZ., CA. and want the land back so they send their illegals north to accomplish their agenda. They seem to forget one thing. In the heat of real battle I think "Santi Anni" the coward will show their true colors.
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  • Posted by wiggys 11 years ago
    if they were after drug smugglers why aren't they working with our border patrol making then aware of the situation. cooperation exists between the drug smugglers from mexico and recipients on the usa side of the border. things go deeper than we know.
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  • Posted by illucio 11 years ago
    This is what happens when reason trascends reality or, on the other, it just goes out the window. Why is this not the case with the French Canadian border? Haven´t the French during colonial and the XIXth Century had conflicts with the British and later "american" part of the continent, as did the Spanish-Mexican ones? These questions aren´t hard to answer, yes/yes would be the simple and easy way. But I would add that every conflict has it´s singularities.

    The Spanish colonization of North America was real, with occupants and the Roman Catholic Church converting natives into catholics and, therefore, second class citizens. The apolalyptico version of what is considered a savage and bloody colonization of Mexico and the rest of America isn´t entirely wrong for "south of the border" none would celebrate thanksgiving. In Tenochtichlan there weren´t any free tribes, it was the capital of the Aztec Empire. Same with the Mayans and the Incas further South. Natives, unlike the Aztecs, were hostile to the occupation of their land and the Church´s aid in colonization was crucial, they introduced a new phenomena to the concept of colonization: guilt. But it was still a very difficult conquest, that extended well into the XIXth Century and the beginning of the XXth.

    Mexico and the prior Spanish Colonies had long before occupied and exploited what is now the state of California, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado and the entire south western region of the US. The gold rush were all Spanish-Mexican mines that usually never made it back to spain (the gold), becoming victims to piracy at sea or worse, corruption in america. A great part of the federal reserve is Spanish Mexican gold, as a matter of fact.

    But there´s much more. The names of this region´s states are spanish ones, Texas meaning "tejas", which is what great part of the soil was used for: the colonial terracota shingle or "teja". The fact that today many illegals are Mexicans and the border policies are so strict is due to many things, some even amoral and in clear dissadvantage to the people "south of the border". This isn´t a race or cultural issue, let´s not confuse things. This is an economical and political issue.

    It´s wrong, I agree, that Mexicans should do this. But isn´t also wrong that they were robbed of their mines and gold, used as cheap labor in the states and left to starve in the waste lands beyond the great texan oil reserve (which is all "american", no doubt about it)? For an official Federal Trooper to attack a border policy isn´t just mear mayhem...
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 11 years ago
    Here we go again! I have have a solution but it might be seen as slave labor. Here it is: At the Az. border set up all the FEMA trailers to house all illegal aliens crossing into Arizona. Give them tools to first dig their own wells and septic pounds for the camp then have them start producing mud bricks for the Great Wall of Arizona. Then can have their own gardens to help feed themselves. Then after a month or so send some back across the the border to make room for new illegals. In a few years there will be a border wall to rival the Great Wall of China all constructed by illegal aliens. This could eventually deter them crossing the border both from the fact that they will become indentured laborers and the wall will stop them after it is completed.We could lower the population of illegal aliens in AZ Jails and Prisons with the wall building solution.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years ago
      All wall alone will never be effective...they already find tunnels regularly (ac, lighting, water, etc.). I have a solid solution - move all National Guard Bases with the first 15 miles along the borders and have them patrol between them. Use Air Guard to provide air cover a recon for intel. Use border patrol after 15 miles and monitor social services and hospital use to remove those already embedded in our society. It'll never happen. Not keen on the labor idea.
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    Posted by Esceptico 11 years ago
    The U.S. agents shoot across the Mexican border and kill children; a group of "officers" beat a man to death in front of an American crowd yelling at the officers to stop at the Tijuana border with San Diego on the American side, and the list goes on. Does one suppose this causes some unhappiness south of the border?
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    • Posted by $ 11 years ago
      Perhaps, do you want a VERY LONG list of what the Mexicans do to us regularly on the border and in our cities? Please remember that this nation is our, won through battle, paid for with money and with a bill of sale from Mexico.

      Should those in Mexico clean up their corrupt and dangerous sh*thole, perhaps people wouldn't be attracted to the (declining) prosperity of the US? Mexico should clean up its own problems with or without outside help before supported (and paying for) the expulsion of its people to another land illegally (yes I can prove this too).
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        Posted by Esceptico 11 years ago
        My, this comment sounds very hostile. I’ll only address one item stated. Let me see, “won in battle.” I suppose you are referring to the trumped up Mexican-American War or the Spanish-American War? Yup. Won in battle. Exactly as every other imperialist country gained territory.
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        • Posted by $ 11 years ago
          Lets not forget PAID for despite winning in battle. There is a bill of sale and a deed complements of the Mexican government.

          So Spain, Mexico's origin, wasn't imperialist when they conquered and murdered millions of natives all over the American continent? What about the extinction of an entire established culture? Imperialist? LOL Mexico and Mexicans should talk.
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          • Posted by Esceptico 11 years ago
            These comments are tu quoque and diversion fallacies, among others. I refer you to David Kelley’s book “The Art of Reasoning” to see the errors in what is stated. In short, the federal government does not have the Constitutional authority to purchase anything. This issue was discussed in 1803 when Jefferson did the Louisiana purchase. Jefferson acknowledged the lack of authority, so the politicians changed the “character” of the purchase by changing the name to a treaty, for which there was Constitutional authority. However, the French (from whom the purchase was made) only owned it for three weeks and obtained it from Spain under a deal in which France was not permitted to transfer title, and if France did transfer then the deal was it reverted to Spain. Spain at the time objected, but did not the power to enforce the deal. Which means, the US snubbed its own constitution and ignored the legalities of the Spain-France deal of which it had knowledge. And this is only one transgression: Louisiana. Too bad history is taught in the government schools, eh?
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            • Posted by $ 11 years ago
              Ok, you have a depth of history. Even so, the reality is that there is a bill of sale, money did change hands for that bill of sale and the US could have just taken the land after its conquest, giving Mexico nothing. However it occurred this land became and is US soil.

              As for it :too bad about history not being taught in government schools" I agree. Still, if it weren't for the illegal aliens, the crime they bring and the economic burden they create, I wouldn't give a damn about Mexico outside of its food and perhaps, in my younger years, tequila.

              I notice that you avoided my questions about Spain.
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              • Posted by Esceptico 11 years ago
                Suppose you purchased a piece of land from X, paid him and got a “Bill of Sale” or Deed. At the time, you knew X acquired the land from Y with a condition subsequent which specifically provided any attempt or actual transfer revokes the transfer from Y to X and the land reverts to Y. The rule of law is a buyer (with the exception of a bona fide purchaser for value, which you are not by reason of you knowledge of the condition subsequent) cannot acquire a title better than the title of the seller. What quality of title do you acquire? The answer is none. Change you for the U.S., X for France and Y for Spain and you have the same situation.

                Then add you are a corporation without the power to purchase land. That is, and was, the U.S. position because there is, and was, no such power delegated to the federal government. If you are the president sworn to uphold the constitution and you deliberately violate it, should you not be impeached instead of lauded?

                The U.S. was supposed to be the first nation based upon the rule of law. Your (correct) use of the word “conquest” when referring to the theft of land from Mexico illustrates well that at least from 1803, the U.S. has not been based upon the rule of law and it has been a land-grabbing country just like all the others in Europe. This should be a matter of shame, not veneration.

                I did not deal with other aspects of your comments because it would take too long and is not appropriate for a blog.
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