Is Kelley Right in his article "The Face of Evil is ISIS"
Kelley substantially states the same arguments made by the neocons and standard conservatives, to wit: the Muslims hate us because of our culture. But, could this be wrong? Is there at least one other motive which drives the Muslims even more than that the standard answer? For example, about 90% of the “bad guys” have said the motivation is the Western World putting their noses under the Muslim Tents. So, if the West simply left them alone to live on dirt floors, would they withdraw with this fight against West go back to happily doing something else, like fighting among themselves? Ron Paul (and others) makes a good case for this position.
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As to response in today's world, what the US and West has being doing for the last 70 years obviously does not work as show by the fact the violence is increasing rather than decreasing. Perhaps it is time to reassess the situation.
That, however, still not address my point: which is do the Muslims hate us because of our culture?
For example Lock Picking became Defense Against Mechanical Entry.
Much of terrorism as a strategy and a tactic were taught at schools in the Soviet Union, no big secret, as well as in the schools of the US military. One was listed as revolutionary warfare and was political heavy. The other was listed as counter-revolutionary or insurgency and counter insurgency.
No matter which side it was heavily political which led to detailed area studies of any particular society. Included were psychological warfare and propaganda techniques designed to influence a target population. You can find the same modified or purpose built in the USA political system and especially in the Secular Progressive group. All the principles and tenets are the same.
Carlos Marighella of Brazil (Mini Manual for Urban Guerrilla) developed (with others) the circle or cycle of repression and used it in an attempt to take over Brazil. Executed. But the system refined itself and went to nearby Uruguay for use by the Tupamaro Guerrillas.
The system was oriented towards suburbs and cities more so than the backwoods mountain and jungle terrain favored by the Cuban revolution and adopted by Che Guevara. An interesting and fairly accurate portray of Guevara is included in the fiction series by W.E.B.Griffin.. He was captured after being turned in by a local Bolivian farm who grew weary of having his crops stolen. And executed by the Bolivian Army reportedly because one of his little band was having his way with a local farmers daughter. The brother seeking revenge. That's unconfirmed. Bolivia wanted him dead, The US counter insurgency people wanted him kept alive to show his continued string of failures Africa included.
The cycle or circle itself states and calls for the use of terror tactics so a small underfunded and weak revolutionary movement could find success against a popular government. In the Switzerland of South America or Uruguay they came close to succeeding.
It called for an action with a lot of blood, deaths, and local innocent meaning not in the government or the military people killed but EACH time using a different location, method, etc. so the government never knew what to defend. The government did have to suspend civil liberties in increasing numbers and that cycled through time and again gradually turned the populace against the defenders and in favor of the perpetrators.
Marighella missed one point which is now in use world wide. The perpetrator did not have to be a rebel force but could be the government itself.
Flash forward to TSA and the Patriot Act where the initiation of each action is based on manufactured or actual crisis points and a few other embellishments.
What I'm getting at is what we also learned decades ago at Fort Bragg ....It's a more effective strategy ye olde cycle of repression when part of an in country political control movement. Add the word economic and look no further than the socialist left for your answer and never forget it's members are what I call the Government Part or Coalition and what now can also fairly be called a one party system of government.
Terrorism for a long time has been more state sponsored around the world. We are not exempt.
So far it's cost us the Bill of Rights, Civil rights and a good chunk of our monies buying power.
How effective? You see any possible candidate of the three front runners who don't fit the picture? The success of this effort is laudible when measured by the amount of people that still babble about civil and constitutional rights and have yet to have a clue those are gone.
The events of December 31st were all but ignored as the ability to arrest you or me or anyone was extended from suspicion of terrorism (no explanation or evidence required) to suspicion of supporting terrorism.
Forget about probable cause, rights card, phone call, lawyer, judge, jury etc. Stay fat, dumb and happy until it's your turn.
Ignorance is no excuse. You brought it on yourself. State sponsored terrorism at it's refined finest.
Ready, and waiting....
Don't Worry Be Happy you have one right left. Picking the flavor of the next cycle Clintonistas or Trumpeteros. I'm discounting Bernie at this point. In the end he'll rejoin the fold having prepared a flock of new recruits for the Protective Echelon. How do you like that choice of apples. Worms on the inside Red on the outside.
It's mind control in the madrassa not to different from our current public Ed system.
Join the crowd don't think for yourselves.
Blame, be a victim , all know mentalities that lead to no personal responsibility and the destruction of civility.
I think there might be apples-and-oranges going on there...
Did the farmers have a choice of convert (i.e., move) or die?
I'm not trying to say other cults don't do wanton killing in the name of their 'gods.' Whether it was Christians or Muslims doing the beheading is horrible to me.
Christians drowned alleged witches, too, and in the US, right? Doesn't mean any of them were justified in what they did.
It's just when a religious cult advertises that it's their way or the highway and they're going to subjugate or kill anyone who argues or resists, it just occurs to me that their doctrine and tactics deserve a new examination and some changes to the 'way we do business with them' is in order.
Hope that helps. I never said other cults never do shitty things. But like the atrocities of WWII, the cult's reasons and strategies (and "success rates") can make a BFDifference in how I think we should respond to them.
I believe on a thousand year time line they-in general hate us because we are infidels. Today-specifically-they hate us because as you said we are occupying the "holy sites.".
I said they hated us before we occupied the sand box. I think events bear that out. The last 15 years and the occupation just stirred the hornets nest.
As a flag waving patriot and a "radical for capitalism" I must say I do not hold to the neo-con view of occupation, policing the world, nation building and interventionism. As a non Christian, non Jew, non Muslim, non Hindu......I am not necessarily automatic pro Israel. I am not negative Israel, I just don't think we are helping to secure God's home field. I don't think we should have a military presence in countries that hate us. There's the other half of the Middle East. And there's two huge points here. That occupation includes the fore mentioned holy sites and I believe the oil. Now, as long as we are spending our time at home...... let's build the pipeline, drill in ANWAR, simplify the permitting process for nuclear plants. Become energy independent. We could "occupy" and "protect" a lot less of the world. Your Ron Paul reference is spot on .
their men are supposed to rule the world. . and they see
this nation, the u.s., is not letting that happen as pre-ordained. -- j
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today, they do not perceive Obama as having the backbone of Jefferson...
Once you've got it up....keep it up and take care of your own first.
Now if I thought Trump was serious about national defense and knowing what he really sounds like I would be sore tempted that route to get rid of socialism and then reinstate the Constitution. The rest have nothing to offer. And it's such a slow road to the much needed counter-revolution.
throwing gas on the fire i remain
sincerely yours
The Cynical Realist.
Some of this can be addressed by reversing positions and the US faces a nation which has over 900 military bases in more than 140 countries and that nation is constantly making war in the US and tell the US how it should run the country. What would be your recommended response? Something like the French Resistance during WWII? If yes, how does what ISIS is doing differ? Or, were the French wrong in WWII?
Some of this can be addressed by reversing positions and the US faces a nation which has over 900 military bases in more than 140 countries and that nation is constantly making war in the US and tell the US how it should run the country. What would be your recommended response? Something like the French Resistance during WWII? If yes, how does what ISIS is doing differ? Or, were the French wrong in WWII?
Cato has many well researched papers on the subject, but I think an excellent synthesis is Ron Paul’s very personally written and readable, book “Swords Into Plowshares — A Life in Wartime and a Future of Peace and Prosperity” Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. It is in a Kindle Edition.
Last week I visited the scene of massacre of beheading indigenous people on Tierra del Fuego, Chile, because they were in the way of farming. The murderers were Christian.
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