Why Is Mark Levin Keeping Quiet About Vermont’s Article V Resolution?

Posted by UncommonSense 10 years, 11 months ago to Politics
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Doh! Deep article. I stopped listening to Mark Levin after he proposed a con-con and Nancy "snake eyes" Pelosi supported it too. Classic Hegelian Dialectic ploy and I'm not falling for it. NO CON-CON.


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  • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It has become very frustrating to read a newspaper these days because the reporters have never heard of grammar or spell check and apparently neither have the editors. My local newspaper, the Reno Gazette-Journal has almost become unreadable because of this. I continue to write to the editors, but they don't even have the decency to respond. Yet, the publishers of newspapers nationwide can't figure out why they are dying. Can they all really be this stupid?

    Fred
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fred: Thank you. I keep telling that to my children all the time. Proper sentence structure, punctuation including capitalization, and no slang unless needed to properly convey the content of the message. At least to me, they follow. Not sure that it carries over to communication with their friends.

    That said, electronic devices tend to drive shortcuts. I lament occasionally about the spell check here (and elsewhere) which changes words from one to another without my knowledge.
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  • Posted by robertmbeard 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To your point on ratification, there is always a difference between what is "legal and proper" from Article V versus what is "publicly accepted" as ratification. Article V gives 2 legal modes of ratification:
    (1) 3/4ths of state legislatures ratify (usual mode)
    (2) 3/4ths of "state constitutional conventions" ratify (never used before)

    However, many violations of the US Constitution have occurred over the years because the public tacitly accepts it. I think that is the real reason some are concerned with amendments being proposed at a Constitutional Convention. They don't trust that the process won't somehow be hijacked by leftists and then submissively accepted by the public... Two things help avoid such an outcome:

    (1) Every competing interest group will try to influence the process and outcome, making it highly unlikely that any consensus would be reached or that any non-legal ratification would succeed.
    (2) We, and others, who cherish the US Constitution would be involved.
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  • Posted by $ rjim 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree… the Constitution does not prevent the Article V convention from changing the rules for ratification. The original Constitution Convention did just that, they did not follow the rules set forth in the Articles of Confederation. There is nothing to prevent that from happening again if they chose to replace the U.S. Constitution.
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  • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for your response, but I wasn't criticizing you, only pointing out the fact that as long as we accept this laziness it will surely destroy the English language.

    Fred
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  • Posted by robertmbeard 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with your sentiments about proper use of language and avoiding lazy shortcuts (e.g. "con-con"). I am not part of the Text/Twitter/Facebook generation that embraces such shortcuts and other forms of intellectual laziness. However, when responding to a question/statement (such as the original post above) which uses slang or other short-cut words (like "con-con"), I will often use the word in my response, since I am tailoring my communication to my audience...
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  • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: robertmbeard,
    A great explanation of the particular effort for a Constitutional Convention as Mark Levin has explained many times. The states can in fact limit what type of amendments are proposed and voted on. by the way, does the English language,not my first by the way, always need to be denigrated by what many seem to consider "cute" little words like Con-Con? Can't we all speak and write English like grown ups?

    Fred Speckmann
    commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by brs02 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but opening up the constitution in this environment will only lead to further erosion. If anything we need to remove some of the 20th century amendments.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago
    A con-con would be the most dangerous and deadly thing for the republic right now.

    With the stupid idiots we allow to vote in this country (at least 43%), and with how completely ignorant they are about the Constitution, about history, and about individual liberty, all a con-con would do is give the progressives a chance to destroy the few safeguards within the Constitution that stand in the way of their agenda, while introducing new nonsense, based on popularity with the mindless proles, that would further destroy individual liberty and the republican nature of the U.S.

    A con-con would get conditionals placed on the 1st Amendment for "hate speech".

    A con-con would get the 2nd Amendment twisted to mean that only soldiers and cops can carry or possess weapons.

    A con-con would place conditionals on the 4th and 5th amendments, based upon who was accused, and where in the organization chart of grievance groups the accused belonged.

    Reiterating one of my favorite quotes of Cyrano's: No thank you. No, I thank you! And again, I thank you!
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  • Posted by $ rjim 10 years, 11 months ago
    My concern is two fold. One, the people in DC do not obey the law now, why would they obey any new laws. Second, and to me the most important, there was a biblical world view in late 1700s that does not exist today. Some would say we have a pagan world view now. Other use "nicer" names for the same thing. Most of the U.S. Constitution came from the bible and the well learned men of the time. Men like the founders and then later supported by the logic found in The Law, by Frederic Bastiat in the 1848. A must read for people studying the Constitution. The only purpose of the Article V is to replace it with the "The Proposed Constitution Articles of the New States of America" by Tugwell developed and published in 1974.
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  • Posted by H2ungar123 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for that Peggy. I kinda thought Mark
    did NOT propose a con/con. And San-Fran-
    Nan-Pelousy should just go away.....
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  • Posted by robertmbeard 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps this is just semantics, but Article V governs the 2 processes by which amendments are created and proposed, prior to requiring 3/4ths of the state legislatures to ratify the amendment. In the 1st Article V amendment creation process, 2/3rds of the state legislatures can call a "con-con" as noted above (outside DC).
    In the 2nd Article V amendment creation process, the US Congress proposes the amendments by voting (not technically a convention). This 2nd process is the one by which, if I remember correctly, all existing ratified constitutional amendments were first proposed.
    The "con-con" is the extremely rare alternative... As noted above, in either of the 2 processes, 3/4ths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50) have to ratify any proposed constitutional amendment before it becomes an official part of the US Constitution...
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  • Posted by Peggy 10 years, 11 months ago
    My argument regarding this is if you have an Obama in office who thinks he is a dictator, what good are more amendments or whatever going to do? Obama tramples the constitution now.
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  • Posted by Peggy 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are two conventions. A CONSTITUTIONAL where DC initiates and an Art 5 where states initiate. That is how I read the Constitution.
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  • Posted by Peggy 10 years, 11 months ago
    Mark did not propose a con con. He proposed a state run con. Rand Paul was the one who tried to promote a con con. Did not get far. And who gives a crud about Pelosi?
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 11 months ago
    I always thought the only way that "Mister Thompson" could have come to power, in a "Headship of State" that seemed indefinite, would be through a runaway Constitutional convention.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wouldn't go so far as to think that the DOD is any different from the other agencies. That is an agency that is as big a moocher as any. Weapons systems that the military doesn't ask for nor express any need for are still procured to feed the DOD machine. Despite the grumbling of the BRAC process, we still have many unnecessary military facilities - including many outside the US (most European facilities could be closed or greatly reduced).

    And don't count the military itself outside that realm either. Those Sr. military members that aren't outright progressive have been culled from the ranks. Those that remain are big gov't supporters. The question is, are they liberty supporters? I used to think that they had to be, but I'm not so sure anymore.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 11 months ago
    The final question on a test for surgeons:
    "Under your desk you'll find a scalpel and a jar of alcohol. remove your appendix and turn it in." A con-con under today's circumstances would be akin to the above. Just like the surgeons, the end result will be the destruction of the intended recipient. Levin is often right in his assessments, but I doubt if he has thought this one through.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct about the progs stacking the courts. Regarding the alphabet soup agencies, well, most of them that don't deal with the DOD, yes. (e.g., EPA, FCC, Dept. of Ed) The DOD, fortunately, are mostly comprised of real Americans. But the progs mostly don't care about that, because those agencies don't make policies for the commoner. (you & I.)
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  • Posted by dcwilcox 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said. The "con-con" cannot change a single word of the constitution. Any screwball, statist amendments can be shot down by just 17 states at a "con-con."

    If socialist Vermont joins conservative states Georgia, Alaska and Florida in calling for a constitutional amendment convention, we are another state closer to making it happen.

    Vermont's voice at the convention will be of little consequence.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, but that's the beauty of an article V convention - it's not in DC. It's unlikely that so many state legislatures would be able to be corrupted.

    That said, it would need to be crafted very narrowly and specifically so as not to open it up to a total re-write. The progressives have stacked the courts and alphabet soup agencies with like minds and have undertaken a wholly unconstitutional attack on our liberties. Now, with an occupier of the oval office who has no problem with naked aggression against the constitution, and a political party that sees no problem with his doing so, we are losing liberty faster than ever. We need to do something or all will be lost by Jan 20, 2017.
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