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Should parents be forced to vaccinate children before they can attend school?

Posted by richrobinson 9 years ago to The Gulch: General
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I saw an excellent presentation last night on the risks of vaccination and health problems including autism. Most States currently require vaccinations in order to attend public schools. The argument being if parents don't vaccinate their kids then other kids are at risk. The problem appears to be the number of vaccines being given at the same time and at a very young age. The speaker made it clear that she was not anti-vaccine but wanted all parents to be able to make informed decisions. I don't have kids so I was never faced with this decision. It would seem logical to allow parents to opt out of many of these vaccines if they wanted. It is possible to get exemptions but it seems the State is making it harder and harder to do that.


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    If memory serves me correctly the NVICP has given out around $2.5 BILLION to compensate families who's children have been injured by vaccines. So much for there being no risk...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    There actually are no studies of the current CDC childhood schedule. There wasn't one even when it was half the size it is now. By the time a baby reaches two years old the quantity is around 36 vaccinations. This schedule simply hasn't been tested. No double-blind studies. I find that pretty amazing.

    The suspect vaccine MMR did have one CDC study done about 14 years ago. The head researcher on that study, William Thompson, came out about 20 months ago and admitted that he and colleagues committed fraud and that the data actually indicated an increase in autism with the MMR when administered before a certain age. If memory serves me right it's before the age of 36 months. I've heard the recording of him confessing, met and spoke with the man he confessed to, and have looked at the tables of data. Thompson said, "I feel great shame" each time he sees a family with an autistic child. Thompson and his colleagues actually sat in a room and tossed data into a trash can. LOL!!!! Now, that's a story worth covering.

    This isn't anything I discovered. It's pretty mainstream info now. It's not widely covered by news shows who rely on pharma ads (watch the evening news lately?).
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Careful. That's called "thinking". It leads to questions.

    I don't discuss what I learned publicly anymore. But, in the right setting, I enlighten. My most recent audience was a senior democrat Assemblyman who, after hearing what I had to say, broke ranks with his party and voted against forced vaccination.

    When in doubt...look at what Objectivism says. It works for a reason. Funny how well it meshes here.
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program(NVICP). funded by a .75 tax on every vaccine dose. Seems an admission that some risk is involved.
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I was vaccinated in the 1960's. I received a total of 3 injections. Today there are 55 total injections with 29 coming at 2 years and younger. Why can't parents question if they are all really necessary. Why can't they be spread out over a longer time span? Why give a new born a hepatitus B vaccine? Does it not seem logical that at least some kids won't tolerate all those injections at such a young age?
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, that's interesting, huh? Oh, settlements are given out when vaccines cause brain damage. They are handed out by a special, Federal court...without any hearings. Last I heard, the average settlement was about $800k, taxpayer dollars.

    Sound safe to you?
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You DO have the freedom to require your child to live in a restored iron lung for the rest of their days. If you can find one. Because that's far better than subjecting them to a vaccine against polio, which may cause them harm...

    Of course, the Spanish Flu was in the past, so let's forget that... after all, a simple flu bug can't wipe out 1/6 of the population... right?

    Thank you for believing that forgetting history is the best way not to repeat it. I'm sorry... but my kids were vaccinated... as were my grandkids... and they didn't turn into retarded idiots from it...

    Even better... I know autistic kids... that were not vaccinated, because their parents "didn't believe in it".

    I don't need the government to tell me to vaccinate my kids... seeing older people in iron lungs who didn't have vaccines back then, when I was a kid, was enough. Visiting the graveyard where my in-laws family are buried - where there are a LOT of death dates in 1918 and 1919 -

    I don't have to trust the government. I have to trust my common sense, that asks "do I want my kids dead from something I could have stopped"? What I REALLY don't trust - are a group of non-scientist guessers and conspiracy theorists telling me not to vax my kids because they don't think it's good, or they think it may cause this or that... because their aunt Millie said so... because she read it on an internet forum...
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I can't believe the Pharmaceutical companies are exempt from being sued over health issues resulting from vaccinations. FDA allows fast track to be used for approval and there is even talk of creating a system faster than fast track. Frightening.
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    In a scenario like that a person of reason would get vaccinated. I am getting conditioned to not trust the Government and what they tell me.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years ago
    I know too much on this topic. I have been involved, firsthand, in studies involving vaccines. I even presented data to the NIH on childhood vax. Oh, the data I've seen...

    Forced vaccination goes against Objectivism, FWIW.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    BTW, I don't dismiss the idea of weighing the costs vs. the benefits. I can imagine a scenario in which a vaccine is proven to be safe for everyone except those with some other medical condition. Suppose this vaccine can stop a plague that's killing many people. If everyone who can tolerate the vaccine takes it, herd immunity will stop the plague. Maybe the gov't would be right to use force to make people who can tolerate the vaccine to be vaccinated to protect those who want the protection but can't tolerate the vaccine b/c of another medical condition.

    This is completely hypothetical. My point is parental control is not absolute, so I see what you're saying about parental control being a function of relative risks of getting vs not getting the vaccine.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    " I would strongly oppose [mandatory vaccination of all school age children]."
    If you agreed with me that vaccines are safe and are in no way connected to autism, I suspect you would still oppose mandatory vaccinations of all school-age children.
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The connection between autism and vaccines may be anecdotal but it's enough that parents should have greater control over their use. A bill in Pennsylvania would require all school age children be vaccinated. The bill includes public, private and home schooling. I would strongly oppose that.
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The speaker was not anti-vaccine but said that little or no testing has been done concerning the health affects of giving multiple vaccines at the same time. My take away from last night is that parents should be allowed more control over if their kids get vaccinated and how quickly.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
    Medical science does not back what the presentation said, but people should be free to choose a vendor (a school in this case) that does what they want. I would strongly prefer a school that requires vaccination on a scientific evidence-based schedule.

    Kids not getting vaccinated is a bad idea, but it is nothing like child abuse or anything the gov't should be involved with in any way.

    The fact that gov't runs the schools means what should be a personal issue becomes a topic for political debate.
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    Posted by Lucky 9 years ago
    You may argue for or against compulsory jabs but autism is not relevant.
    There is no evidence linking autism to vaccination other than from fraud or anti-everything conspiracy theorists.
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