One thing i am noticing is that vaccination seems to be an all or nothing proposition. The volume of vaccines given at a young age has increased dramatically over the years. I would like to see a system where informed parents could either opt out of some or at the very least spread out the time between injections.

Well, I certainly did not, though our fellow interlocutor might have. I ask myself: what did Andrew Wakefield gain, or hope to gain, by falsifying data? What are the elements of crime? Motive, opportunity, and means. One can argue opportunity and means, though personally I find that a stretch. But motive? Does anyone here really think "to make a name for himself" would be motive enough to try to perpetrate such an elaborate fraud?

But the motive of Brian Deer, or perhaps of a pharmaceutical multinational who might have paid Brian Deer off, is evident and considerable. The drug companies have a problem. Vaccines have outlived their usefulness. Diphtheria has all but disappeared. Pertussis, you can live with. Tetanus you can treat or head off if someone gets a nasty wound. But we now see one disease after another, that a few powerful companies--the Orren Boyles of health care--have convinced the state that people "need" "protection" against.

Now along comes a doctor like Andrew Wakefield, who develops solid evidence that the MMR vaccine is a combination more dangerous than any have appreciated. Even if "correlation does not equate to causation," I would ask any doubters whether they can explain the correlation any other way. Well, evidently they can't. Because they take great pains to deny the correlation.

So to those people, I say: 'Fess up!

I think some parents today figure they raise their kids til they start school. Then it's up to the school to finish the job.

isn't the problem public schools themselves? . the control
of our lives exerted by state -- or State -- fascism in schools
is unwise and disgusting, IMHO. . of course, parents
should not be controlled by the state in this way. -- j
.

Yes. If other children are not vaccinated the remaining children and peoples are in forced servitude. Of course public education is a socialist policy, but one I can support with certain features.

Not vaccinating is a foolish freedom. Very much like supporting ignorance. Sure you are allowed to be ignorant, but why do we need more of the earth is flat or dinasaura roamed with people? If you want this freedom, go abide separately.

Rich... simpler, easier and cheaper to settle claims and dirty laundry isn't aired...
Follow the Embarrassment... :)

Rich... what kind of testing do you think would prove any hypothesis, especially if it isn't "long term Enough" and doesn't directly put human kids at risk?
Mice? Never heard of autistic mice, but maybe the Jackson Lab can breed some...

Wow, I had not thought of that possibility of the scheduling of so many vaccines would be analogous to drug interactions. It really is very similar.

The doctors never seem to acknowledge that drug interactions can be serious, basically creating a cocktail mix in your system. This so common amongst the elderly. With infants multiple, multiple vaccinations at once with all their bizarre ingredients could be really serious.

Ah, another thinker, I see...

I have met w Wakefield, and many others. He is no fraud. He is the real deal. The media has lied about him. Believe who you want. But, understand that the BS story is a diversion from the facts. Did you take the bait?...

Hadn't thought of it that way. Good point.

Given the quality of "school," it might be a blessing to be barred from attending.

And I offer this contrary testimony to the effect Brian Deer is guilty of willful libel.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/art...

Excerpts:

Writing in the BMJ, research microbiologist David Lewis, of the National Whistleblowers Center, explains that he reviewed histopathological grading sheets by two of Dr. Wakefield's coauthors, pathologists Amar Dhillon and Andrew Anthony, and concluded there was no fraud committed by Dr. Wakefield:

"As a research microbiologist involved with the collection and examination of colonic biopsy samples, I do not believe that Dr. Wakefield intentionally misinterpreted the grading sheets as evidence of "non-specific colitis." Dhillon indicated "non-specific" in a box associated, in some cases, with other forms of colitis. In addition, if Anthony's grading sheets are similar to ones he completed for the Lancet article, they suggest that he diagnosed "colitis" in a number of the children."

In a press release, Lewis continued:

"The grading sheets and other evidence in Wakefield's files clearly show that it is unreasonable to conclude, based on a comparison of the histological records, that Andrew Wakefield 'faked' a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

Now that these records have seen the light of day, it is time for others to stop using them for this purpose as well. False allegations of research misconduct can destroy the careers of even the most accomplished and reputable scientists overnight. It may take years for them to prove their innocence; and even then the damages are often irreparable. In cases where mistakes are made, every effort should be taken to fully restore the reputations and careers of scientists who are falsely accused of research misconduct."

http://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/201...

You oughtn't to be so quick, in any event, to defend a coercive practice against individual parents.

The case against MMR disproven: http://briandeer.com/solved/solved.htm

Yes, he is. But he's not my only resource. He has a few blind spots, too, you know. (Like whether and how you might be able to head off "arthritis" at the pass by substituting garbanzo beans and other protein-rich vegetable products for meat, fish and poultry.) So I go to other advisers, and weigh the evidence, according to the scientific training I have had.

Absolutely.

True. Unfortunately many young people are doing what my nephew did. Had one kid with a girlfriend, married another girl had a kid, now is divorced and probably dating mom #3. Hard to instill proper values during visitation.

Actually with proper upbringing when young, that is exactly what would happen. Parents have great power, and with that comes responsibility to prepare their kids for the evil people they will meet later.

Like we needed another reason. :-)

I've been thinking if the vaccines could be categorized in order of importance then parents could decide how far they wanted to go. When I first heard about this I was thinking about the shots I got. A lot has changed since then.

Owner of the school would set the policy for attendance at the school... just another reason not to send children to a government school.

According to that chart... we should all be dead. Probably of polio or Rubella or some other disease we were always told "One time and you're good to go". Serious - 4 boosters of everything? And repeated boosters on top of that?

How on earth did our founding fathers live to be 10?

Yeah, I kinda see why people are talking about overvaccination. That schedule reminds me of the Michelle Obama Food Pyramid and school lunch mandates and making sure the parents Orwell, er, are well indoctrinated in fear.

Pharmaceutical sales topped 1 trillion dollars last year. Vaccines bring in billions. I have to say that I stop short of thinking these companies are knowingly putting children at risk. I think most of the employees believe the propaganda that they are telling. I just hope more testing is done.

No argument on that term! Great idea.