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Are Objectivists Mutants

Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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Although the linked article discusses the topic of critical thinking from the viewpoint of science based medicine vs. 'complementary and alternative medicine, I find a great deal of similarity to my thoughts concerning being an Objectivist in life as well as a member of this site, lately. From childhood till now as an senior, I've often thought that there was just something different going on in my mind than that in others' minds. I've found a very few in my life that think much like I do, but they are rare.

From the Article: All emphasis added.
"There is a huge disconnect between what science-based medicine calls evidence and what alternative medicine and the general public call evidence. They are using the same word, but speaking a different language, making communication next to impossible."

"“Alternative medicine,” along with “complementary and alternative medicine” (CAM) and “integrative medicine,” is not a meaningful scientific term, but a marketing term created to lend respectability to things that we used to call by less respectable names like quackery, folk medicine, and fringe medicine." (Add Like Politics, Conservatism, Progressivism, Religion, etc. etc.)

"Today we have more sources of information, but our minds still work the old way. We prefer stories to studies, anecdotes to analyses. We see patterns where none exist. We jump to false conclusions based on insufficient evidence. Emotions trump facts. If your neighbor had a bad experience with a Toyota, you’re likely to remember his story and not buy a Toyota even if Consumer Reports says it’s the most reliable brand. That isn’t logical, but humans are not Vulcans. When we act illogically, we’re just doing what evolution has equipped us to do. It takes a lot of education and discipline to overcome our natural tendencies, and not everyone can do it."

"Ray Hyman is a psychologist and one of the founders of modern skepticism. When I asked him why some people become skeptics and others don’t, he said he thinks skeptics are mutants: something has evolved in our brains to facilitate critical thinking."

So, are we mutants? If we are, will we succeed into the future and become a successful branch of humanity? Or will we continue helping our non-mutated cousins not face extinction, even if inadvertently?


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    ˈmyo͞otnt/
    adjective
    adjective: mutant

    1.
    resulting from or showing the effect of mutation.
    "a mutant gene"

    noun
    noun: mutant; plural noun: mutants

    1.
    a mutant form.
    synonyms: freak (of nature), deviant, monstrosity, monster, mutation
    "is this insect some sort of mutant?"

    Origin
    www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?te...
    Top Definition. Mutant. 1.A hideously ugly, repulsive, decrepid, foul, grotesque, unsightly, horrid, ill-proportioned, mangy, haggard, crude, bloated or generally ...

    A permanent change in any life form to arrive at one of the above life forms as described as opposed to evolving by natural selection.

    The answer is No but socialists are.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If this guy had in mind what you are stating he certainly demonstrates a lack of thinking. Mutations that occur over thousands of years are one thing. He is not using the word to mean what it represents but as a nasty comment or a put down to those of us who do happen to actually think.
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  • Posted by MJHolcombe 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. A "mutation" is as passive as an appendix; born with it, but what's it's objective? Those who have their appendix removed have done so upon consultation with someone with more medical knowledge. The choice: live or die. The thought: do I trust this person to keep me alive?

    And this dovetails nicely into Capitalism!

    A Capitalist doctor would want to remove my appendix so I would pay him, and continue using his services for the rest of my life. A doctor paid by the Obamacare State is paid by the operation; successful or not. So why should he care if I live or die?
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  • Posted by dnr 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Temlakos - And if your experience is like mine, probably losing several jobs because of it.
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  • Posted by dnr 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    wiggys - Don't you think that we would still be primitive people living in Africa if it was not for mutations? Does not natural selection favor certain mutations over others?
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 11 months ago
    It has been determined that .01% of the American population has reached the second tier of conscious thought, behavior and world view. It is important that in order to reach this tier of consciousness one must realize the certain values of each of the preceding memes or levels. Do Objectivist fit into this category in some way...I think so and Yes, we will be seen as mutants, different and more evolved. See: Spiral Dynamics

    In reference to modern day medicine - (allopathic medicine) has in fact, it's roots in a procedure translated as Quackery. Both allopathic medicine and quackery is the practice of treating symptoms of disease and not the cause, This practice started in earnest during the beginning of the "Progressive era".
    Natural medicines, (not the voodoo stuff), always attempted and largely did, address the causes of disease and today use science to find out how and why certain treatments eradicate disease.

    See this link about Quackery...if anything, it's interesting: http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history...
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's written by a DOCTOR Harriet Hall.
    People who write stuff oft nurses an agenda.
    Even old dino ain't perfect.
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  • Posted by tkstone 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Depends on how you define winning. Remember their Contradictions will find them one day and then...Oh pity the fool!
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Conventional" medicine is slow to accept findings not approved by the medical "establishment", including government bureaucrats with the power to license and oversee the entire medical profession. I'm a skeptic, and one thing I'm skeptical about is articles like this one.
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  • Posted by tkstone 8 years, 11 months ago
    The aspect of Objectivism that appeals the most to me is the feedback loop of "Contradictions cannot exist" and check your premise. We all make decisions based on current understanding and only the wise are happy to find that contradiction to improve their understanding. I do not see the word mutant as a bad thing. Only the mutants who started using their mind enabled the rest of humanity to enjoy the fruits of their labor. That will not change. The people of the mind are the only force that can save humanity and I do "believe" it is worth saving. Mutants will save the day.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 11 months ago
    The author here is allowing a glaring hole to exist in her argument. She separates medicine into two binary options - either mainstream, scientifically corroborated and approved medicine, or everything else that belongs in the field of quackery. However, if we may agree that some form of medicine is required for humans to treat their ills and injuries, as do all animals, in order to continue to exist, then we must accept the fact that prior to the discovery of the scientific method and its implementation, humans have been successfully practicing medicine for millions of years (blending the transition line here with whatever mammals were originated from). No doubt much of that medicine was not successful, but enough of it was to allow us to survive and flourish. Thus, her argument that all non-scientifically proved and accepted medicine is a waste is contradicted by facts and her own existence is one proof of it. Then, there is no mention of the medical community intentionally shutting out forms of medicine that do not bring profit and compete with more profitable, although sometimes less effective methods. Some of those “unapproved” methods are perfectly well approved, accepted and effective in other countries. Then there’s no mention of scientifically approved methods that cause side effects that may be as bad as or worse than the original condition, due to either intentionally hiding the facts, or due to lack of knowledge. I agree with the direction of her thesis, but the example chosen is a bad one – too many gray and controversial issues that her own critical thinking approach should have easily been able to demonstrate.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 11 months ago
    Don't your think it an insult to be considered a mutant simply because you have learned to think. If you are a Objectivist it means you have learned to think. The thing that ray hyman has to learn to do is think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In reality, people that do not have this inborn wiring for critical analysis believe not what "sounds right," but what sounds the loudest.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 11 months ago
    What you can say is that it takes critical thinking to be able to become an Objectivist. When you see someone who shows no inclination to think that way, you will not likely be able to convert him. This is why education is sooooo important.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 8 years, 11 months ago
    My mother was forever telling me:
    "...something thing is wrong with you!"
    Perhaps that is because I am a mutant?
    OK... WORKS FOR ME!
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 11 months ago
    This article illustrates the difference between belief and understanding. Belief is the acceptance of something as "true" based on the dictates of authority while understanding is the acceptance of something as "true" because you understand WHY it is true.
    I have used this example before. I was once asked if I believed that two plus two makes four?
    My answer was "NO" but because I understand the rules and procedures of mathematics I understand why and under what circumstances two plus two makes four.
    Belief is a word I use rarely and with great care. I would far rather understand something than simply believe it. Understanding is much more difficult but it is worth the effort.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The difference is in what is perceived as "right." Anytime emotional, morally relativistic judgement enters the argument, facts and evidence are in jeopardy. Rigid ideology, whether philosophical, political, or spiritual, is a belief system that undermines scientific thinking.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 11 months ago
    Seeing chiropractic put down in that article was a big time turn off. Not saying the writer was wrong about anything else.
    Just last week my chiropractor made another arthritis flare up go away in a hurry.
    This has been going on since the 90s after prescribed medication failed to do the trick..
    Early in this decade old dino's knees began to ache.
    I was told I needed some kind of shots in my knees.
    Decided to take my knees to my chiropractor first. He determined my knees hurt because thigh muscles were tight and went to work on them.
    BINGO! .I got better oh so fast.
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  • Posted by chad 8 years, 11 months ago
    Are 'we' mutants? Objectivists and libertarians (using true definition of words) are rare. My best friend once pointed out that in my family (I married a woman who already had two children) out of the five children, we had two more daughters and son were all exactly like me when it comes to critical thinking and the two older girls are declared socialist and communist like their mother (to whom I am no longer married, she was married to a socialist) who voted twice for Barracula Obama. He wondered if there was some genetic predisposition. Sounds like a good book topic.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
    We can learn from our own mistakes, or learn from the mistakes of others.
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